I have done a fairly large number of these jumbo homes and the real issue
for any of them is quality of water supply. (As if that is not true in any
sprinkler design).

The problems with Jumbo homes are varied but all work against the sprinkler
designers and installers.

First, our experience has been that the setbacks are usually enormous (I had
one relatively recently that was 3,000 ft.)  Add elevation or a bunch of
bends to this and you can loose it all before you get the house depending
upon the pipe size.

Second, the final design of the house is always in flux.  If you can afford
to build such a home...you can afford to tweak it...often.  As a result, you
are almost continuously trying to route pipe in, over and around
obstructions that are added almost daily.  Steel beams, LVLs, and
architectural issues all are in the way and the moment you think you got
it...they move or change it.  As a result, a typical say 10% safety factor
that is more than fine for most commercial projects...is in jeopardy from
day one on a residential job like this.

And last but not least or us...the design team will say "The attic will not
be used and doesn't need sprinklers" citing code exceptions in 13R yet 3
months later, the owner is having the builder put in flooring. (Now ya got
freeze issues (antifreeze anyone plus a reduced pressure bfp per our water
purveyor)

I used to spec the 2" RSV for most of these projects (TYCO could you please
make em again?).  However, for combined service, we are almost always having
to go BIG pipe (4") to the house just to be sure as most of the owners don't
want pumps and/or tanks as the added footprint takes away from the game room
or wine cellar.

Just my thoughts.

Paul Sincaglia, P.E.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: large single family houses

I had this question when designing a 32,000 sq.ft. home. The mech.
consultant specified 13D. I recommended 13 or at least 13R. They settled for
13R. But by this time a 2" underground was already installed. They wouldn't
give me the 4" underground I needed for designing to 13R. Finally it was
designed to 13D for a two head calc and agreed (at my insistence) to provide
a pump for a 4 head calc. 

I can't believe they had money for providing a CO2 system for the elect.
room but refused to upgrade the system to 13R.

Tony  

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Sent: August 20, 2007 10:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: large single family houses

What's the latest poop on protecting large single-family residences? 
It doesn't seem that 13D would be appropriate for the structure, but 
I don't see anything in any of my Codes that would modify it.

Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com 

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