Typically black carbon steel is used for the foam-water systems but
galv. can be used.  Most foam mfgr. data will state not to used
galvanized piping only where it would be in direct contact with the
undiluted foam concentrate.  

CLDI is typical for UG, have never heard of anyone trying to use it
above ground.  Better check it's listing before proceeding down that
road.

As far as life span, might try calling various pipe mfgrs. and see if
they have any data concerning life cycle based on various installation
conditions.


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benjamin
Schrader
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:44 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: A Pipe's Life

Thanks for the info, Ron.  Did you mean that the presence of AFFF causes
the breakdown of steel pipe?
Benjamin

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron
Greenman
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: A Pipe's Life

Benjamin,

First and foremost you cannot use galvanized with AFFF. Black steel
tends to swell, stratify and then de-laminate (there are some proper and
precise words to describe this but they're escaping me at the moment).
Stainless works well on ships. I don't have a clue about C.L.
ductile but sounds like it might work.

On Nov 28, 2007 2:13 PM, Benjamin Schrader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An existing AFFF foam system, supplied by sea water, needs the pumps 
> replaced.  The pipe supplying the pumps, and from the pumps to the 
> deluge valves, in diameters from 8" to 4", totals less than 200' in
length.
>
>
>
> Our client is looking to us for guidance on what kind of pipe should 
> be
used
> to replace the old pipe.  The old pipe is black steel.  How do you
determine
> the cost effectiveness of new steel pipe vs. ductile cement lined vs.
> galvanized vs. stainless steel?  How do you estimate life of pipe?  
> From your experience, what other concerns should be considered for 
> this
decision?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
> Benjamin Schrader
>
> Maine Fire Protection Systems
>
> 6 Dowd Rd
>
> Bangor, ME 04401
>
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