Ed,

Moire examples of long lived systems that I have seen the interiors of
that show no signs of corrosion:

Buildings at the Naval Undersea Warfare Center at Keyport, WA built in 1942.
The former stables for the Seattle horse drawn street car
system--early Twentieth Century.
A system that was converted to dry of which I have the
faceplate-General Fire Company 1917.
There is a system in Tacoma still in service dated 1898.
Finally a 1916 Viking Tyden dry system like new.

There are many more. In fact although I've seen corrosion in old pipes
I've never encountered MIC in old steel.


On 1/25/08, Ed Vining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I agree Tom.  Here is what I plan to respond unless I hear words of wisdom 
> from you guys.
>
>
>   One must accept the fact that there are variables which affect the life of 
> a sprinkler system.  They include:
>
>   Proper original design and installation
>   Proper inspection and testing
>   Whether they are wet, dry, preaction or antifreeze
>   Environmental conditions, like salt air, high humidity, corrosive 
> atmosphere.
>   Presence of microbiologically induced corrosion (MIC)
>   Type of pipe, Schedule 40, thinner wall pipe, galvanized pipe, plastic pipe
>   Corrosive nature of the water
>   Earthquake
>
>   A new or existing wet pipe system which has been tested free of the 
> conditions leading to MIC, and is properly maintained, can pretty much be 
> expected to last for the life of the building.  Examples of this are the 
> sprinkler systems at The Presidio and Fort Mason in San Francisco.  I know 
> the system at the Headquarters Building at Upper Fort Mason is in the 
> neighborhood of 70 years old.  I took apart portions of another 70 year-old 
> sprinkler system in San Francisco, during a building demolition.  The 
> exterior and interior of the pipe was like brand new.
>
>   Dry pipe systems do not have such a good history, mostly because of 
> internal corrosion.  I know of no statistics, but would expect at 30 to 40 
> years.
>
>   Antifreeze systems will not get proper maintenance, so it is anybody's 
> guess.
>
>   Other fire extinguishing systems will likely have shorter lives, partly due 
> to obsolescence.
>
> Tom Duross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   That's kinda like asking how long is a piece of string Ed.
>
> Tom
> Go Pats
>
> eBay
>
>
> At 06:39 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote:
>
> >Here is a question I was asked today:
> > "Where can I find a list that indicates the Estimated Design life
> > for a fire
> >suppression/sprinkler system?
> >
> > What say ye?
> >
> >
> >Ed Vining
>
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