Living Purposes = Habitable Attic, 1) Permanent Stairs 2) 1/3 or less of the floor area below 3) Minimum Ceiling Height 4) Egress Window if Bedroom, 5) Ventilation and Heat. 6) Smoke Alarms 7) Illumination.
Other then that its an uninhabitable attic. In both cases still an attic and still part of the dwelling or dwelling unit. John Drucker -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 9:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 2nd request 13d attic storage Quack. Actually my attic has a hatch (circa early 40s) At 03:55 PM 2/26/2008, you wrote: >But does your attic have a pull-down or fixed stair? All good points >Todd, which underscores how subjective this issue really is. If it's a >storage "room", I'd consider it part of the dwelling unit. If it's dead >space above the ceiling in which the home owner chooses to put stuff, >then it quacks like an attic. > >Steve Leyton >Protection Design & Consulting > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd >Williams - FPDC >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:31 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: 2nd request 13d attic storage > >13D says that sprinklers in attics may be omitted, provided they are >not intended for "living purposes". Does storage in an attic space >constitute a living purpose? I'm not sure if it does or not. I would >think that a case could be made, considering that 13D is a Life >Safety System. (My assumption here is that the access to the space is >more on the idea of a pull-down stair as opposed to a carpeted >staircase.) > >On a personal note, my house has an attic space, which I use for some >storage (artificial Christmas tree, out-of-season clothes, etc.) I >would not think of this as a living purpose and it is not picked up >on the tax rolls in the square footage of the structure. > > >At 02:15 PM 2/26/2008, you wrote: > >Doesn't anyone have something to say? > > > >We are beginning to see more 13d installations here and I know some of >you > >disagree but one of the local AHJ's only require 13d systems in >townhomes. > > > >Some of these buildings are being framed and decked for small storage >areas > >in the attics much like most of us have in our own homes.These areas > >typically do not have enclosed walls and ceiling is the sloped roof >deck. > > > >How are you AHJ's handling this? Are you just placing heads above the > >storage deck or are you requiring the areas to be enclosed as a room? > > > >The challenge is obviously freeze protection. In a room that is heated >there > >is no problem except the local AHJ then interprets the room as another >floor > >which cause other building code issues. > > > >Any experiences \ ideas? > > > >Thank you, > >Greg McGahan > > > >Living Water Fire Protection, LLC > >1160 McKenzie Road > >Cantonment, FL 32533 > >850-937-1850 > >Fax: 850-937-1852 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >Todd G. Williams, PE >Fire Protection Design/Consulting >Stonington, Connecticut >www.fpdc.com >860.535.2080 >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email >to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
