put it on your list of items to submit a proposal on (3 years from
now). Once the ROP is published (some time in April), give me a call
and we'll see if we can find a hook for a comment.
Roland
On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Todd Williams - FPDC wrote:
I'm glad to see others seem to be thinking along the same lines.
This is the second design-build chemical facility project this year
with no engineering or insurance company input and no company
policies on fire protection other than 'code says we need sprinklers'.
Let me pose this: if there is no such thing as an 'ordinary
chemical plant' and they all require specific engineering analysis
per NFPA 30, is NFPA doing a disservice by including this in 13?
Anybody can read that statement and decide that a facility is an
ordinary chemical plant and protect it as OH2 when it should be
analyzed and could be a lot higher. Don't mean to dis the sprinkler
bible, but this type of statement could have some unintended
consequences.
At 12:07 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote:
I have never done a chemical processing facility that fell under
NFPA 13
and never an OH occupancy. Usually they fall under NFPA 30 or a more
stringent and specific FM criteria. Each plant requires a detailed
hazards analysis of the process, equipment types and purpose, MSDS
info
as well as building construction among other issues to determine the
proper protection approach.
The other issue is that there are new technologies being born
every day.
Each new product being used or produced doesn't always have a page of
it's own in the code. So it takes some homework and detailed
analysis
when it comes to determining fire protection criteria for these
kinds of
facilities.
"Ya gotta love it!"
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
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In NFPA 13, under the section describing OH2 occupancies, they
mention
"Chemical plants - ordinary". What is an ordinary chemical plant?
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
www.fpdc.com
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