The problem is that in my case there was no pile. 

Just remains of material in a shallow tunnel that runs below the partition
on both sides. 

The compost company was in the process of leaving the site, that is why the
cut the pipe. 

Dan

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Subject: Re: Hot work ignition of Compost

You might want to look at The Ignition Handbook by Vytenis Babrauskas.
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On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 5:45 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That might be hard to prove.  We had a fire here locally last week where
> a pile of compost self-ignited, no outside ignition source.  Sometimes
> the process of decay generates enough heat within the pile to ignite
> some of the material.  Once it starts it just keeps growing.
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of danarbel
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:22 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Hot work ignition of Compost
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> I am dealing with a fire in cartons storage area that started next to a
> unsealed metal partition with a third party area.  There was some open
> gap below the partition.
>
>
>
> In the third party's area,  work was carried out to remove steel pipes
> installed on that partition on the other side using a cutting disk.
>
>
>
> The material that was on the floor was compost. I found a layer of
> compost that penetrated below the partition that was actually below the
> storage.
>
>
>
> We need to prove that sparking from the disk cutting operation could
> ignite compost and start the fire on the other side where cartons were
> stored very closed to the partition.
>
>
>
> It is also possible that the sparks bounced off the floor and ignited
> the carton directly, but is seem rather difficult to prove it either.
>
>
>
> Could anybody recommend a suitable lab.?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Dan Arbel
>
> T+972-4-8243337;
>
> F+972-4-8243278;
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