As for a definitive answer to this question, I can not provide.

What I can provide is this... there is no direction in the NFPA standard
(that I can find) on how to determine a section modulus for spans over
10ft. However...

(1) Adding the 4ft span modulus to the 10ft span modulus does seem to be
an acceptable way to determine the 14ft span.

I offer this as my logic...

Go to the 3ft span for ANY of the pipe sizes and look at the section
modulus.
Then go to the 6ft span. It is almost exactly 2 times the 3ft span.
Then go the 9ft span. It is almost exactly 3 times the 3 ft span.

Or go to ANY span and get the section modulus and then go to the span
that is double the length. The section modulus is correspondently almost
exactly DOUBLE, same as the length!

OR add the 10ft span section modulus for 4" pipe shc-10 to the 4ft
section modulus for sch-10 and you still get 1.19

The problem will be getting an AHJ to accept this logic and apply it
WITHOUT any imperical data to back it up.

Ultimately you may have to actually have a section modulus determined or
an NFPA technical opinion rendered as to the application of this logic.

Thanks,

Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech.
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
www.waynefire.com



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 12:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Trapeze lengths beyond 10'-0"

Can you apply the formula and get an equivalent modulus based on not
center loading the members?

R/

Matt

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----- >-----Original Message-----
----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
----- >Behalf Of Randy Knutson
----- >Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 11:05 AM
----- >To: [email protected]
----- >Subject: Trapeze lengths beyond 10'-0"
----- >
----- >Forumites,
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- >I searched the archives and didn't find a discussion on
----- >this topic.
----- >
----- >Here's my question?
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- >Can I extrapolate out beyond the 10'-0" length on the
----- >section modulus required for trapeze in table
----- >9.1.1.6.1(a) '07ed.?
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- >A fitter called this morning wanting 14' trapeze hangers
----- >for 4" pipe. He was placing the main in the wrong
----- >location but it brought up an interesting question. I
----- >noticed that the section modulus has a linear increase
----- >with trapeze length.
----- >
----- >For 4" Sch 10 y=.085x, where y=section modulus &
----- >x=Trapeze length. So, for a 14' trapeze for 4" sch 10,
----- >would a 1.19 section modulus work?
----- >
----- >Do I have to have the initials PE after my name to think
----- >these thoughts?
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- >Thanks,
----- >
----- >
----- >
----- >Randy Knutson
----- >
----- >Shilo Automatic Sprinkler, Inc.
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