I have always interpreted the section for FDC's to mean that the 4" FDC must tie into a 4" main.
As I re-read 8.17.2.3, the code does not clearly state this. 8.17.2.4.1.2 permits connecting to a main on the system served, but again, I always refer back to 8.17.2.3 and size the FDC to equal the riser size, and then make sure it ties into a main of equal size or the riser. Maybe some clarification to the language would be good. Andrew Weisfield Craig Rauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/18/2008 11:35 AM Please respond to [email protected] To "[email protected]" <[email protected]> cc Subject RE: RE: FDC Connection Would Apendix 8.17.2.4.1 indicate that the intent of the code is to require that the 4" must tie in to a 4" main? It would seem that the language in this section needs a bit of clarification. Would it be wise to modify 8.17.2.4.1.2 to refer to 8.17.2.3 for the size of the main? Or, if it is decided the actual intent is to allow such a connection, the apendix needs to be changed. Craig Rauch Washington Township Fire Department Dayton, Ohio -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FDC Connection Supplemental? If 150 psi is pumped into the FDC the riser check will close making the FDC the only supply. Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FDC Connection I think it's important to remember that the FDC is "supplemental" to the supply, not "Equal" to a supply. I feel that the 4" tied to the 2-1/2" MAIN meets the intent of the standard. It does not need to be 4" all the way from the riser to the FDC, when the FDC is remote from the riser and connects to a MAIN. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth W. Warren Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FDC Connection it should be 4" from the connection to the main and then connected through a 21/2x21/2x4 tee. I disagree that NFPA allows for connection anywhere on the system, it states "provided the pipe size meets the requirements of 8.17.2.3." Otherwise "creative" companies would have 1" fdc piping connected to the end of a line. Garth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: RE: FDC Connection > The FDC is actually remote from the riser & ties into a 2-1/2" floating > main. I think it should at least be 4" all the way to the back main and then > reduce it there.... > > > Brian Harris > FDFP INC. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 8:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: FDC Connection > > NFPA 13, 2007, section 8.17.2.3, (3) - For hydraulically calculated systems, > the fire department connection shall be permitted to be less than > 4 in. and no less than the size of the system riser, where serving one > system riser. > > My opinion is that the pipe from the FDC itself to the riser needs to be 4" > minimum. Based on your description I would interpret that as saying that > the 2 1/2" pipe on the FDC is not permitted as the riser is 4" and I am > assuming the 2 1/2" reduction is between the FDC and the riser. > > My opinion only. > > Andrew Weisfield > > > > > "Brian Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 07/18/2008 08:36 AM > Please respond to > [email protected] > > > To > <[email protected]> > cc > > Subject > FDC Connection > > > > > > > Forum, > Quick FDC connection, I just saw on some drawings that came in that the > FDC > is 4" with a 4" check valve and then reduced down to 2-1/2" with a > reducing coupling. The system riser is 4", can you choke it down like > that? > Technically the FDC is the same size as the riser but where do you draw > the > line? 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