We were all delighted to hear the news from the ICC and wish you well in the ongoing struggle to get the Code amendments adopted

Re the comments below: We had similar arguments from the crime prevention lobby in the UK about 10 years ago. The false premise is, of course, easy to spot. Very few 'home invasions' (a term designed to create a fear of crime) result in injury or death.

If anyone's interested, I've got some really good data on other causes of deaths:

1 fatality for every 7 climbers reaching the summit of Everest
1 fatality from medical toxicity for every 3000 treated with anti- depressants in any year
1 fatality of a firefighter for every 316,000 fires attended
1 motorcyclist killed for 1 million journeys
1 skier killed for every 1.02 million ski trips
1 fatality for every 2.5 million gym visits
1 cyclist killed for every 4 million bicycle journeys
1 car occupant killed for every 20 million journeys
1 employee electrocuted for  every 26 million arrivals at work
1 train passenger death for every 35 million journeys
1 air passenger death for every 44 million journeys
1 person drowned for every 200 million baths taken
1 fatal fall on staircases for every 500 million climbs or descents

I guess someone should propose that the homebuilders should remove baths and staircases. (Can you imagine being one of seven climbers in a tent on Everest, the night before the final climb to the summit. Hey Fred, I really like your parka....)

All these prove is that you shouldn't entrust statistics to those who aren;t trained to use them


Stewart Kidd
On 23 Sep 2008, at 20:10, Terri Leyton wrote:

This is what they are saying on the ICC Bulletin Board - worth checking out. www.iccsafe.org
Click on "Jobs and Code Talk" then, "Bulletin Board".

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for those interested in facts....

residential fire deaths occur at a rate of 1.1 per 100,000 population.

home invasions occur at a rate of 23.0 per 100,000 population.

therefore, you are over 20 times more likely to be killed by a criminal than by a fire.

seems like the paternalists should be cheerleading for double cylinder deadbolts, bullet-proof windows, mandatory security systems, etc. instead.

conclusion: if you are truly concerned about your family's safety at home, buy a gun before you buy a fire sprinkler system.

Terri Simmons Leyton
PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING
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We can't change the cards we're dealt, just how to play the hand. -- Randy Pausch


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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: From the NAHB Newsletter

You should see the "fight" going on at the IIC's website forum.

In case you didn't know; residential sprinkler systems are now going to cause mold to grow in your home and the pipe will give you cancer.


David Autry
Plans Examiner
Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
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Lincoln, NE 68508
402-471-9659
402-471-3118 fax
www.sfm.ne.gov

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Terri Leyton
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: FW: From the NAHB Newsletter



Of interest, sent by the NAHB yesterday:



Fire Official Surge Sweeps Sprinkler Mandate to Victory

Fire sprinkler mandates will be part of the 2009 International
Residential Code and will be required in all one- and two-family homes
and townhouses that build to the code as of Jan. 1, 2011.

The sudden - and controversial - arrival on Saturday of 900 fire
officials eligible to vote at the  <http://www.iccsafe.org/>
International Code Council's final action hearings in Minneapolis
swelled the number of sprinkler proponents and the measure was approved
by a vote of 1,283 to 470 on Sunday morning.

In other business, voting members disapproved the so-called "30%
Solution" from a coalition of insulation and window manufacturers that
would have significantly revised the International Energy Conservation
Code. The votes were split on a number of wall bracing proposals.

About 1,200 voting devices were turned in immediately after the
residential fire sprinkler mandate was approved, suggesting that most of
the proponents left immediately after the vote was taken.

"We welcome the insight and experience that fire officials bring to the
code development process because our model codes are focused on life
safety issues," said James "Andy" Anderson, chair of the NAHB
Construction, Codes and Standards Committee.

"However, it seems clear that these particular officials were focused on
one issue only - residential fire sprinkler mandates - without any
benefit of perspective regarding how such mandates jibe with the
hundreds of other code proposals considered at this hearing. That's
unfortunate, because such reasoned discussion is what the model code
process was designed to accomplish."

The residential fire sprinkler mandates will provide a sizable financial
boon for the fire sprinkler manufacturing industry, which, like NAHB,
helped provide funding for building officials to attend the hearings.

In 2005, when there were about 1.65 million new homes constructed at an
average 2,340 square feet, sprinkler manufacturers would have reaped
about $5.8 billion in revenue, based on average sprinkler costs of $1.50
per square foot, had the sprinkler requirement been in effect.

NAHB had identified several concerns over residential fire sprinkler
systems - among them, questioning whether most home owners are prepared to perform the maintenance required to ensure that the sprinklers remain
operational.

Builders also cited the potential for pipes installed in attics to
freeze in colder climates and they said that the sprinklers can be
discharged accidentally, with damaging results. In areas served by wells
or where water is scarce, the availability of an adequate water supply
is another possible problem.

NAHB pointed to several existing code requirements that have contributed
to a significant decline in fire-related deaths and injuries over the
past 30 years.

The most effective improvement has been the introduction of hard-wired
interconnected smoke alarms, which the code requires to be installed in every bedroom and on every floor. <http://www.nfpa.org/> National Fire Protection Association reports conclude that about 890 fatalities could be avoided each year if every home had at least one working smoke alarm.

Both the  <http://www.firesprinkler.org/training/index.html> American
Fire Sprinkler Association and the <http://www.nfsa.org/> National Fire
Sprinkler Association, two sprinkler industry trade groups, offer
training programs for residential sprinkler installation and
certification. Because there is only a limited number of subcontractors
who are certified, the sprinkler requirement will appear in the 2009
International Residential Code but not take effect until 2011, giving
the industry three years to prepare.

In other final hearing action:

*       About 15 proposals relating to wall bracing were also debated
during the Final Action Hearings. A new independent table for wind
bracing was approved with modifications proposed by the ICC Ad Hoc
Committee on Wall Bracing working with NAHB, the NAHB Research Center
and the Foam Sheathing Coalition.

The new provisions will generally preserve traditional bracing amounts
for typical one- and two-story dwellings in most of the country. Bracing amounts will increase for three-story homes, homes with large open plans
and homes built in high-wind areas.

Two NAHB proposals to restore the scope limit for the structural
provisions of the IRC to 110 mph in hurricane-prone regions were
defeated. The  <http://www.disastersafety.org/> Institute for Business
and Home Safety spoke against the proposals, primarily due to the defeat
of a compromise proposal on wind uplift that had been worked out with
NAHB and others.

The defeat on the scope limit came despite significant, yet
cost-effective improvements to the wind resistance of dwellings
(including the changes in wall bracing) that will go into effect with
the 2009 IRC.
* In a victory for cost-effective energy efficiency solutions, the
group of IECC proposals nicknamed the 30% Solution was defeated by a
vote of 90 to 50.  After the package of proposals was defeated, voting
members heard testimony on each individual proposal for additional
voting. Details will be available in the upcoming Oct. 6 issue of
Nation's Building News.


For more information, e-mail  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Calli Schmidt
at NAHB, or call her at 800-368-5242 x8132.





Terri Simmons Leyton

PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING

8849-B Complex Drive

San Diego, CA 92123

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Ph:      858-751-2930 - ext. 101

Fax:    858-751-2933

Cell:  619-871-8450

"Once every man, woman and child realizes and accepts in daily life the
responsibility for simple fire prevention measures, death, injury and
destruction by fire will be substantially reduced." Percy Bugbee, NFPA,
1947



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