Thom, It boils down to one simple thing....define the term within the body of the standard !.
As for NFPA's experts, I'm sure that the appellant will remind the board of NFPA's own stipulation; "Annex A is not part of the requirements of this NFPA Document but is intended for informational purposes only." But don't lose hope, 2006 IBC 201.4 "Terms Not Defined" offers the following; "Where terms are not defined through the methods authorized by this section, such terms shall have ordinarily accepted meanings such as the context implies", as a matter of fact NFPA-72 3.1 offers something interestingly similar; "Where terms are not defined in this chapter or within another chapter, they shall be defined using their using their ordinarily accepted meanings within the context of which they are used." With that said we allow 90 seconds within the context of "immediate". NFPA-72 is chocked full of 90 second requirements so its ordinarily accepted. If all else fails remember determinations are that of the ahj. ;-) Happy Halloween !! Sincerely John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ) New Jersey -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 12:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Central Station Response time Hopefully since it sounds like this may end up in court, the "opinion" of NFPA's "expert" and editor will hold some value. This is only one definition of what "Immediate" is I'm sure that since the body of the code calls for Immediate notice of the fire dept. that this is a very conservative value for that amount of time. Webster's would not be so lenient. Since the code says "Immediate" in the body, the battle will be over what that means. I believe that by most people's understanding, waiting 4 minutes would not be considered immediate. Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Drucker Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Central Station Response time Unfortunately being that its in the annex its not part of the standard and thus unenforceable since it cannot be cited. The good folks that write the standards have to understand that municipal ahj's are not bound to, nor can they rely on annexes, appendixes, commentary, etc for enforcement. I'm not disputing the value of these materials merely stating the regulatory aspects of them. Citations of annex, appendix or commentary material cannot be relied upon to survive should a citation, determination or ruling be appealed since the adoption clearly includes the annex disclaimer. >From NFPA-72; "Annex A is not part of the requirements of this NFPA Document but is intended for informational purposes only. This annex contains explanatory material, numbered to correspond with the applicable text paragraphs." We need to make sure that this material gets into the code text otherwise its merely opinion. John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ) New Jersey _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or intended to persons or entities not named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone, return this message to the address above and delete all copies. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
