Sam:

Both NFPA 13 and 14 offer prescriptive pressure limits for sprinkler and
standpipe systems; 175 PSI (12 bar) has been the threshold for years but
is excepted when components are rated higher.   Obviously, there are
many HP sprinklers and valves on the market and higher pressure fittings
and heavier pipe schedules facilitate higher than 12 bar working
pressures.   NFPA 14 prescribes a 350 PSI (25 bar) pressure limit in any
part of a standpipe system, so there isn't - to my knowledge - a higher
pressure alternative to the 25 bar limit in high-rise buildings.

Pressure reducing valves require redundancy in standpipe systems when
used to create separate zones or when otherwise arranged so that their
failure would allow higher-than-approved pressure to more than two hose
connections.   Direct acting valves, such as PR sprinkler control and
fire hose valves are allowed at any station where pressure reduction to
the prescribed maximum (12 bar for Class I hose stations, for ex.)
unless higher pressure is approved by the AHJ, so redundancy isn't
required as the restrictor only impacts one hose connection.    Your
question draws two practices into question:

1)      It's not a good practice to oversize a fire pump and then
regulate it back down.   NFPA 20 now states that pumps must be sized so
that the designed demand falls between 90-140% of their rating.  
2)      If a pump does "over-supply" the downstream system
(notwithstanding separate zones created by reducing valves), or if the
measure of protection is to guard against diesel driver over-spin, then
a RELIEF valve is the appropriate application, not a reducing valve.

In my opinion, reducing valves should be treated like control valves - a
necessary component that there can be too many of when they're redundant
or applied for convenience, and a potential fail point at any point in a
water supply or distribution system that requires regular inspection,
testing and maintenance.   Especially pilot-type reducing valves.   I'm
not sure I fully understand your last comment, "... like we consider 2
pumps with PRV stations each ..." but my experience has been that series
pumps feeding multiple zones can in fact be arranged so that no in-line
reducing valves are required.

Please also be aware that both NFPA 14 and 20 are in cycle and that both
technical committees have adopted proposals that will SIGNIFICANTLY
change the prescriptive arrangement for high rise pumps if approved at
the adoption hearings.    

The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the
opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and
Hose Systems.

Steve Leyton
Protection Design & Consulting
San Diego, CA



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Subject: PRV Station :

Hiii..
Everyone.
 Tis is sam again..

Have a small doubt,may b a simple one..but please help

when designing fire protection systems for high rise buildings,
we used to consider PRV stations if pressure required @ pump side is
more
than 12 bar.
Is there any code requirment stating that.??
Also..
What  about additional PRV stations.?
suppose if the pressure required is 25 bar should we take two PRV
stations.or is it like we consider 2 pumps with PRV stations each (high
zone
/lowzone)??

Is there any thumbrule or guidelines in this aspect..??

Please give your views.

Thaanx in advance...

Sam b
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