Joe and Forum Members:
   
  This is the second time on the Forum I have heard of a photograph of a 
post-fire scene involving combustible construction and old style sprinklers 
with, what Joe describes as, reverse swiss cheese, where circles of wood 
survived above the old style sprinklers, yet between them, the wood deck was 
consumed.  If anyone knows the source of that photo, or has a copy of it, I 
would sincerely appreciate getting it.  I would also be delighted to get more 
details about that fire, or similar fires, involving old style sprinklers where 
the fire spread above and between the sprinklers on the underside of a wood 
roof deck or ceiling.
   
  Thanks.
   
  Dave de Vries

Joe Hankins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Steve,

A fact often missed is that sprinklers can't be expected to control a 
fire above them. This is especially true of sidewall sprinklers. It's 
no mystery, because in situations like yours, the fire is well 
established before it burns through the the deck above, and no water 
from sprinklers (even if they operate) hits the fire.

I've investigated two large fires in buildings with plank-on-steel roofs 
with typical built-up roof covering, and in both cases the roofs burnt 
until the fire department arrived and hit them from above with hoses. 
The good news is that sprinklers controlled the fires that were started 
below, in one case even though the area below was a furniture finishing 
room!

And before anyone raises "old-style" sprinklers or upright sprinklers 
installed in the pendant positionas a solution, while they will spray 
water upward, it only hits a small area. I have a picture somewhere in 
my files of a wood roof after a roof fire in a building protected by 
old-style sprinklers. It looks like reverse swiss cheese. Gaping holes 
in the roof between sprinklers, and a small circle of partially burned 
wood over each sprinkler.

Sprinklers are amazing things, they cannot defy the laws of physics! 

Joe

Smith, Steven D. (CSFD) wrote:
> Thought I'd share this.
> 
> Earlier this week, we had a fire that started in the corner of a third
> floor combustible exterior balcony of a 3-story apartment building. The
> fire started due to the improper disposal of a cigarette in a flower
> pot. The fire smoldered in the pot and the pot eventually tipped over
> causing the smoldering material to spread to the composite deck. The
> smoldering material eventually burned/melted through the composite
> decking material. On the second floor balcony immediately (literally
> directly) below where the fire burned through the decking is a sidewall
> sprinkler protecting the second floor balcony. It appears that the
> composite decking material burned hot enough or had dropped "slag" onto
> the sprinkler which caused the sprinkler activation. This sidewall
> sprinkler, due to geometry of fuels and generated air flow due to
> flowing water, actually fanned the flames. However the fire did not
> extend significantly. All balconies are protected with sprinklers. The
> pendent sprinkler on the third floor balcony didn't activate due to
> small fire size and openness of balcony. 
> 
> This could have been a lot worse that it was. However it's not certain
> this was a true sprinkler "save". 
> 
> Steven Smith, CFPS | Fire Protection Engineer II 
> Colorado Springs Fire Department | Office of the Fire Marshal 
> Technical Services | 719-385-7362 
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