Ed, My thought exactly!

Perhaps this will help;

Limited Area Sprinkler Systems are provided for at IBC 903.3.5.1.1.  The
commentary provides; 

"Use of limited area sprinkler systems is primarily limited to fire areas or
other areas where the number of sprinklers does not exceed 20. The use of
limited area sprinkler systems is restricted to cases in which the code
requires a limited number of sprinklers and not a complete sprinkler system.
For example, limited area sprinkler systems may be used to protect stages,
storage and workshop areas, stories and basements without openings, painting
rooms, trash rooms and chutes, furnace and incidental use areas as regulated
in Section 508.2."

But that's just the commentary, the actual code language at IBC 903.3.5.1.1.
doesn't lock it down, however;

IBC 903.2.7 and IFC 903.2.7 does; 

903.2.7 Group R.
"An automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with Section 903.3
shall be provided THROUGHOUT ALL BUILDINGS with a Group R fire area."

The operative term; THROUGHOUT ALL BUILDINGS.  

If they can do that with 20 heads according to 903.3.5.1.1., a subsection of
903.3 then a limited area sprinkler system is permissible.

Members we must keep in mind that the IBC and IFC are synergistic codes,
they work when all the pieces are put together.  

Hope that helps.

Sincerely
John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official
Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector
Red Bank, NJ

Safe Buildings Save Lives !



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ed Vining
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Limited Area sprinkler systems

This sounds like something as ridiculous as I saw once.  A dorm above a
restaurant

Surely someone is trying to protect the sleeping rooms from a fire in the
restaurant.

And by sprinklering the rooms??

Ed Vining

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote:

> The IBC mentions Limited Area sprinkler systems with a veiled
> reference being 20 sprinklers or less. However, there is no formal
> definition or description as to what they are or where they are
> allowed. Any thoughts or experience with this? I have a proposal on
> my desk for a partial system covering some sleeping rooms above a
> restaurant (for employees). The rest of the building is unprotected.
> Supposedly it is being required to renew their liquor permit. Since I
> doubt the Liquor Commission has jurisdiction over fire protection,
> I'm assuming that this is coming from the Fire Marshal.
>
> Todd G. Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, Connecticut
> www.fpdc.com
> 860.535
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