Todd,

We have an all-paid local FD with no volunteer departments.  Like I said, it
is a really unusual situation because the city and county are consolidated
giving us a large tax base, so basically the numbers are as follows:

0.8     million people and lots of industry plus 2 navy bases
840     square miles
55      fire stations
55      pumpers
14      tankers
11      ladders
35      rescue units
1,200 emergency personnel
250     administrative personnel

When you look at the ratios compared to Stonington, it looks like you guys
have more stations, apparatus, etc, per capita but that is probably because
it is so much smaller and the bigger cities gain an economy of scale as the
departments increase in size.  I'm not really sure though.

You might want to call your local chief - we were surprised how eager they
were to learn from us as well and it's a good relationship to develop.  Good
luck,


Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
616 Davis Street
Neptune Beach, FL 32266
904-652-4200 Phone
904-212-0868 Fax 


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Subject: Re: Sprinkler Saves - fire dept per capata

Steve,

That's a great program and would be really interesting to see it up 
here, but I have doubts on the cooperation end.

What is the correct (or reasonable) proportion of fire 
stations/personnel/apparatus to population? I would assume that paid 
vs volunteer would make a difference. My town (Stonington, CT) has a 
population of 18,000 and is 42.7 square miles. Two medium sized 
manufacturing facilities and two tourist attractions; the rest 
residential. We have 6 separate (volunteer) fire stations and at 
least 22 pieces of apparatus. Is that reasonable? How does it compare?


At 07:31 PM 4/11/2009, you wrote:
>Our Northeast Florida Chapter of SFPE had a joint training day with our
>local fire department this past Thursday.  It's something we started doing
>to work with our local firefighters to see how they actually use building
FP
>systems, to learn what design mistakes they often see, and generally get
the
>design community together with the end users.  We are a little bit unusual
>in that Jacksonville is really spread out (biggest city in the country
>land-wise) and as a result, we have a huge fire department which is
>disproportionate to our population with 55 fire stations, 1,200
>firefighters, etc.
>
>
>
>Our local fire chief discussed sprinkler saves and I thought I would pass
>along the information.  He said that they arrive to at least one sprinkler
>save per month - usually in apartments.  They just shut off the control
>valve, replace the sprinkler and squeegee up the water.  Almost all of them
>are extinguished with one sprinkler.  They are really high on sprinklers
and
>were strong advocates of having more systems.
>
>
>
>Just wanted to pass along some good news,
>
>
>
>
>
>Steve Kowkabany, P.E.
>
>Fire Protection Engineer
>
>Neptune Fire Protection Engineering LLC
>
>616 Davis Street
>
>Neptune Beach, FL 32266
>
>904-652-4200 Phone
>
>904-212-0868 Fax
>
>
>
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Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
www.fpdc.com
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