in order to apply it to larger diameters than 2-1/2, you would be have  
to jump from say 3 inches for the starter piece (to the first  
sprinkler) down to 2 inches on the second section of branch line so  
that the entire portion of BL that would otherwise need a brace is no  
more than 12 ft.   The short overall length was the focus and since it  
was not expected one would make such a jump in diameter.  Is that what  
you have done?

Roland

On May 6, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Bob Knight wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Thanks, I knew that it was for branch lines only, but I wasn't sure  
> if it
> could be extended to a larger size branch line.  I don't have a  
> handbook,
> gotta get one one of these days, so it sounds by your posting that the
> handbook is stating that it is limiting this exception to 2-1/2".  I  
> just
> thought that this had come up once before and that it had been  
> determined
> that this could be extended to larger piping.  Guess I was mistaking  
> since I
> couldn't find anything in the archives.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Greenman
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:14 PM
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> Subject: Re: 2-1/2" Starter Pieces
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
>
>
> I'd say that because the 'exception" is so specific (2 1/2 in starter
>
> pieces less than 12' long) that the intent was also specific and, in
>
> addition, because they used starter pieces as a criteria they mean
>
> only for branch lines. I think the handbook commentary for 9.3.5.3.3
>
> suggests that it is a gimme for this single set of conditions.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Bob Knight <[email protected]>  
> wrote:
>
>> NFPA 13 9.3.5.3.3 States, "The requirements of 9.3.5.3.1 shall not  
>> apply
> to
>
>> 2-1/2" starter pieces that do not exceed 12' in length".  Is this  
>> section
>
>> limiting this to 2-1/2" piping or can it be assumed that starter  
>> pieces of
>
>> larger pipe sizes can also be included?
>
>>
>
>> Thank you,
>
>>
>
>> Bob Knight, CET
>
>> (208) 318-3057
>
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>
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