I want to be able to design a system to ONE edition of NFPA 13.
Is that an unreasonable request?
Otherwise rather than designing, we're cross-referencing our way thru a
layout, applicable code line by line.

Have you EVER seen a system with multiple editions of the same code
referenced in your life?
If not, then it would be "unusual". 

Plus, we'd have to answer the same question posed by different AHJs with
different code references....

Understand at one point it sounded as if the DOH would accept the most
STRINGENT of both editions. When I pointed out that a registered design
professional, hopefully an FPE, would have to go thru both codes and itemize
the differences and point to which one to use in each case, a herculean task
I doubted DOH had the internal horsepower to do- and then he said No, we
have no intention of doing that- YOU'D have to do that. Ok, my response was
then the applicable code for health care on this particular project isn't
written in black and white where we can refer to it, it exists only as a
hybrid of two editions and is based on the OPINION of the RDP making the
determination.

I've got about zero interest in assuming the responsibility of determining
which sentences are most stringent in two different editions simply because
two AHJs can't agree on ONE requirement for A building.

Does it seem odd that a hybrid opinion would be the state law as applied to
a building? And that it might change depending upon whose analysis we use?
And how many FPEs want to assume such a role, how much would it cost?

Bill B, you've been around the DOH and VA systems a bit, and have seen #13
progress over a few decades, and have worked with us on some projects. Would
this be something you'd like to estimate a cost on, and is it a duty you'd
want to assume? I think Roland would refer to this opportunity as RLH (run
like heck!).

glc


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 11:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Quandry-design to two editions of 13?

G:

Is there a specific issue of conflict?
90% of 99 is still the same in 2007 as it would apply to healthcare
facilities. Storage is a lot different, but not room design, Area Density or
residential design/light hazard.

What exactly do you want to do that 2007 would allow, that 99 won't?

Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel:  970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926


Summary:

PA DOH enforces compliance with the 1999 edition of NFPA 13 because it is
the referenced edition in the 2000 Life Safety Code used by the Centers for
Medicare and Medicaid Services (Federal Health and Human Services). Both PA
DOH and CMS itself have reiterated clearly that they will accept ONLY
compliance with the 1999 edition; they really don't care if a newer code is
deemed equal or better protection by NFPA, or what edition of NFPA 13 is
referenced by the applicable local building code. 

 

PA's Dept of Labor and Industry is charged with administration and
enforcement of the PA Uniform Construction Code, now based on the 2009
I-Codes, so NFPA 13-2007 edition is now our standard. Under Pennsylvania
law, all facilities that are regulated by the Health Care Facilities Act
must also comply with the requirements of the Pennsylvania Construction Code
Act and its regulations.

 

Quandry:

So- how do we design a system to simultaneously comply with both 1999 and
(for now) 2007 editions of NFPA 13?

 

George Church


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