Jim, I should have used the smiley face after the are you crazy. I know you know but I need some fun. After all I did finish with the I'm cranky and irritable disclaimer. No offense was ever meant so I hope none is taken. I always forget you can't get nuance of tone out of an email and so tongue-in cheek is hard to convey. There's a guy that currently needs imprints of my fingerprints on his throat and as soon as that can be executed (pun intended) I should return to my normal calm, reasonable and gracious self.
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Jim Johnston <[email protected]> wrote: > Ron, > > I am not crazy, I know exactly what the codes say, and as an Engineer I am > ethically bound to do the right thing - upgrade the system to current codes. > Let's just say some other sprinkler companies in our area would just do the > work without question, and use the statement "oh was I supposed to know > that" duh! I was asking the question merely because I may have missed > seeing some verbage in the codes? Unfortunately when our region is > economically driven by agriculture, commissioners and city councils often > overrule what the codes say - right or wrong. I am dealing with one right > now in a separate building, a plastics storage building that requires > sprinklers due to its size, the building owner doesn't want to spend the > money, and in this case the AHJ say's "they have a good history on no fires > on their premises", "let's let them build without fire protection" what > kinda basis is that? Lets stick a bullet in the cylinder and pull the > trigger, there's a 5 in 6 chance nothing is going to happen, boom! > > Jim Johnston, P.E. > Fire Protection Engineer > Inland Fire Protection, Inc > 1100 Ahtanum Road > Yakima, WA 98903 > Phone 509-248-4471 > Fax 509-248-1180 > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Greenman [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 9:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: System Replacement > > Jim, > > The oldest handy 13 I have is from 1985 and it allows dry gridded > systems by inference in 5-2.3.1 where it limits gridded systems on dry > pipe valves to 500 gallons. That said--Are you crazy? Why even ask the > question? You have an occupancy change that, when it initially > happened, should have driven a hazard upgrade that should have driven > changing the system to a dry tree (pump?) or a wet grid (heat?). But > I'll bet we just moved the stabilized long-strand carbon compound > product into the fruit warehouse without telling anybody, kinda like > the sound insulating foam panels in a famous recent fire. Due > diligence my friend, due diligence. There's a reason dry grids were > allowed in 1985 and not now and I'd bet it's due to more than one > failure. I've been cranky and irritable lately. > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Jim Johnston > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Good Friday Morning All: >> >> >> >> Yesterday I visited a facility that has an existing gridded dry system >> installed in 1981 - I assume that was legit back in those days? The > system >> is protecting fruit stored in bins in a controlled atmosphere building. > The >> system is rotting out and needs to be replaced, I can't find a specific >> clause in the codes that say's replace it as it currently is - the problem >> being a dry grid. To further complicate the problem the original >> classification was a Class II (fruit in wood bins), today those bins are >> HDPE - Group A Plastic. With this information would you agree that you >> can't replace the system as originally installed? >> >> >> >> Jim Johnston, P.E. >> >> Fire Protection Engineer >> >> Inland Fire Protection, Inc >> >> 1100 Ahtanum Road >> >> Yakima, WA 98903 >> >> Phone 509-248-4471 >> >> Fax 509-248-1180 >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >> >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >> >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >> > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering > Bates Technical College > Tacoma, WA > > Member: > SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Bates Technical College Tacoma, WA Member: SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
