I seem to recall a design criteria for convention center halls that can be used for display (exhibition/exposition) set at OH2, but now cannot find it. This may be Monday morning dyslexia, or it may just be poor memory. Does this ring any bells?
Dave David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP Firetech Engineering Incorporated --- On Mon, 5/24/10, Todd Williams <[email protected]> wrote: From: Todd Williams <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Salary To: [email protected] Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 10:35 AM Time in this business means little. It's the quality you produce. As one of our esteemed forum members said to me once describing a designer "he said he had 21 years experience, but it was really 3 years of experience 7 times" At 11:35 AM 5/24/2010, you wrote: >Yea, I heard cries of empathy from friends of mine in Baltimore who didn't >know I was hiring a bad apple that had already been thru their orchard and >moved south to Florida. On the plus side, if someone repeats my mistake and >hires the bad apple, it won't be long before the error is obvious. >People are who they are, you're absolutely correct. Not that they can't >change, for better or for worse, or have difficult times. But most of us who >have been in the industry any length of time and get out often, know enough >others to check with and whom to trust and whom not to ask. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:20 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Salary > >George, it's not a matter of what is better. It was the overall way this >guy did business. Mention his name to any sprinkler contractor around here >and all you hear is groans of pain and sympathy. > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection Specialist >Mechanical Department >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >[email protected] >http://www.ch2m.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:18 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: Salary > >He may have had more heads in some or all of his work and that's overdesign, >but designing and installing additional uprights vrs a lesser number of >ATTIC sprinklers doesn't necessarily result in an overdesign. > > >My understanding is that ATTIC sprinklers provide a higher level of >protection than SSU's in a similar application. I've not had anyone correct >what I heard was how the ATTICS came to life, CSC was testing CPVC feeding >pendents in a typical nursing home attic with SSU protection, and the roof >burnt off. That made em think maybe there's a better way to protect attics, >and there was. > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >[email protected] >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:56 AM >To: [email protected]; [email protected] >Subject: RE: Salary > >Case in point, I worked for a design house for about two months in between >jobs, we did a building where attic sprinklers would have been the best >choice, met all the design and installation criteria. This saved money on >installation, the owner of the design house said NO, that we were to use >traditional upright heads because the count was higher and the makes us more >money. So everything he did was over designed. > >Oh and BTW the term BIM, is not even close to being related to the 3-D >design that is currently done. The 3-D design models are nothing more than >construction documents. Real BIM modeling goes WAAAAAY beyond just a 3D >rendition of a building. > >Craig L. Prahl, CET >Fire Protection Specialist >Mechanical Department >CH2MHILL >Lockwood Greene >1500 International Drive >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 >Direct - 864.599.4102 >Fax - 864.599.8439 >[email protected] >http://www.ch2m.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, >SET >Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:44 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Salary > >It depends on what the design house is being hired for. I do much of my >work out of state, or out of the country. For those, a site survey is >impractical. For projects that use the BIM process, then we readily >incorporate into that as I draw in Autosprink which is fully 3D. For >local projects where a site survey is required, then we readily perform >those as it is included in the pricing structure. > >I don't know that pricing per head is necessarily wrong. I offer a $X >per head or $0.x / sq ft, whichever is less expensive to the client. My >regular customers know my per head costs and the sq ft cost is based on >a sliding scale that is done with an excel spreadsheet. My customers >know my price before they bid the job. So far, it seems to have worked >out well. Remember, just as in installation, the customer is paying for >a level of service that they want and/or need. > >On 5/24/2010 7:26 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > It has not been uncommon for some design houses to not even do model >coordination. They get the architectural plan and do their design based on >that alone. All coordination with other trades is done in the field. These >type places are all about production, they base fees on the number of heads >on the drawing so systems are over designed. > > > > What some companies fail to understand is that for the most part, if you >underpay someone or find someone who works cheap, it will probably cost you >more in the long run. > > > > > > > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > > Fire Protection Specialist > > Mechanical Department > > CH2MHILL > > Lockwood Greene > > 1500 International Drive > > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > > Direct - 864.599.4102 > > Fax - 864.599.8439 > > [email protected] > > http://www.ch2m.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom poisal > > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:24 PM > > To: sprinklerforum > > Subject: Salary > > > > The salary results have been tabulated from the NICET web site, for > > designers without formal training and nicet certification, vs those with, > > college degree's, and it seems that according to my Linkin frens plus > > contractors, most companies want to recruit a CET, proficient in some sort > > of CAD program be it; AutoSPRINK or SprinkCad, and pay bottom dollar for > > this person and want a capable design project manager, field survey >person, > > design technician, etc. all for under 50K a year. What is the "going" rate >? > > > > On an aside I was just told by a major designer (free lance) that they >do > > NOT site survey for ease of installation, it is coordinated via AutoCad. >Go > > figure! > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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