Thanks Tom, I am talking to the AHJ right now to come up with an mutual solution.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom poisal Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: shelf storage-NFPA 13 (07ed) Dewayne, they are what they are...(2002) 12.3.1.9 Solid Shelving and you are right that by definition 20 sq ft or less is what the book says, however, what really is it... basically a solid barrier forming several fire compartments (right) somewhere you gotta show a cross section to the AHJ, if you've got time let them rule or (I've done this) do a quick cross section labeling everything and show your heads fax to em and ask for their take, #1 your off the hook cause they RULED, and #2 you've clarified a condition. Personally I always err on the conservative side and would just space around them at a 100 sq ft spacing. Linda like an extra hazard situation. See 8.6.2.2.1 (c) and order fries and a shake with that. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Dewayne Martinez <[email protected]> wrote: > Would you still consider them solid shelves since they are under 20 sq > ft? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom > poisal > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: shelf storage-NFPA 13 (07ed) > > well the walkway creates a problem, now it's an obstruction....so they > have movng ladders tor reach stuff...don't do a walkway, but your > still looking at a rack storage problem with solid shelves...check > chap 12 ..specifically > 12.2.2.1.5.3 & 12.2.2.1.6...02 edition > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Dewayne Martinez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Storage to ceiling clearance = 4'-0" > > 30" aisle, 24" solid metal shelf depth, 24in apart vertically Class > > II > > > commodity, non encapsulated, in metal bins (4 sided only-no > > top) > > > > I didn't think this met the definition of rack storage that is why I > > did not look there. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of tom > > poisal > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:44 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: shelf storage-NFPA 13 (07ed) > > > > Then you are moving into racks and such...what is your ceiling > > clearance, aisle width, commodity, container, etc. ? > > > > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Dewayne Martinez > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Is there any way to have shelf storage greater than 15ft? > > > It appears that the cutoff of 15ft per 14.2.1 (2). > > > I have a customer that wants 18ft of shelf storage with an > > > arrangement > > > > > like 14.5 with a walkway at 12ft. > > > What about putting plywood on the walkway and calling it 12ft > > > of storage on each level? > > > Thanks, > > > Dewayne > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > > to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-re > > > [email protected]> > <to%3ASprinklerforum-requ > > > [email protected]> > > <to%3ASprinklerforum-reques > > > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject > > > field) > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tom Poisal, CET > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > > [email protected] > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-requ > > [email protected]> > <to%3ASprinklerforum-reques > > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: > > [email protected] > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-requ > > [email protected]> > <to%3ASprinklerforum-reques > > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > -- > Tom Poisal, CET > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-reques > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > to:[email protected]<to%3ASprinklerforum-reques > [email protected]> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Tom Poisal, CET _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
