George,

Mike's answer reminded me greatly of the first discussion I had with 
someone on the cost of a listed expansion chamber, which I thought was 
off the scale for what it actually consisted of.

The client on that project still glares at me when we meet, because he 
thought I was padding the cost of the tank, as it was so high.
-- 
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Ken Wagoner, SET
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George Church wrote:
> Not perceived as advertising here, Mike- 
> nice clear and concise explanation of all the tedious and expensive steps
> required to develop new products.
>
> There are many who look at the raw manufacturing cost of a device without
> considering the development costs divided into the # units expected to be
> produced.
> There are propriatory sprinkler devices that have similar "baggage" and the
> market then determines whether the risk taken pays off in revenue sufficient
> to cover the investment.
>
> >From your narrative, it's a steep slop to climb, eh? Not for those faint of
> heart or with shallow pockets.
>
> Thanks for the explanation- more than many could imagine, i trust.
>
> George Church
> Rowe Sprinkler 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Henke
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 11:29 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Automatic air release
>
> Reliability, listings, engineering and limited demand all factor into the
> price.
>
> Neither UL nor FM had a standard for air vents used on fire sprinkler mains
> and branch lines. The only standard was for fire pumps.
>
> Potter commissioned and paid UL to write a standard for vents for fire
> sprinkler mains and branchlines, UL2573. The vents that were listed and
> approved for fire pumps do not meet the UL standard for branch line vents.
>
> We spent over 2 years testing and researching vents until we found one that
> would meet the requirements and then another year for the actual approval
> process. We just received UL listing for the only vent approved for branch
> lines. 
>
> FM still does not have a standard for this, they still only approve for use
> on fire pumps despite what some other company may advertise. Potter is
> trying to get FM to also create a standard for branchlines but they have
> not.
>
> It's going to take a long time and a lot of sales to recoup our expenses on
> this and I am reminded of that frequently by the people above me.
>
> This is not an advertisement; I'm just answering a question.
>
> Regards,
>
> mike
>
> Mike Henke CET
> Sprinkler Product Manager
> 1-800-325-3936
> 314-595-6740 Direct
> www.pottersignal.com
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew J.
> Willis
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Automatic air release
>
>
>   
>> The device looks
>>     
>>> pretty simple why so expensive? Reliability?
>>>       
>  
>
>  
>
> Listing?
>
> Matthew J. Willis, CET
> Automatic Fire Sprinklers
> Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
> 318-387-1134 Voice
> 318-816-1087 Mobile
> 318-387-1163 Facsimile
> [email protected]
>
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