It's just the nature of the beast. There are a lot of things not clarified or defined in the Codes.
My biggest challenge right now being the occupancy classification of a machine shop, architects have one idea, engineers and operators another. Only those who put these undefined categories in the Codes know what is what for sure. Anyway, back to our regularly scheduled topic..................... Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Specialist Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [email protected] http://www.ch2m.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: 2010 handling and storage of combustibles Then why doesn't NFPA and/or the Building Codes state that? (i.e not include it in the same section as porte cochere). It would make our lives easier. A8.15.7.5 describes "Short-term transient storage" and states that it should not be considered storage or handing of combustibles. So if a pallet of goods is put down on a dock while a truck is being loaded and organized for deliveries, would that be short-term transient storage? I think the original question was in effect, what constitutes "short-term"? Legit question. Goes back to my unattended comment. I know appendix material is not part of the standard, however, it is quite frequently either incorporated into Code or used for interpretation. At 08:49 AM 8/30/2010, you wrote: >Exactly. That's why you protect it if its intended use is storage. We're not >the police. > >A congregation just moved into their new church we sprinklered after 29 >years in their "temporary" sanctuary. Nuff said? > >glc > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams >Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 8:37 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: RE: 2010 handling and storage of combustibles > >If a pallet touches the ground, it's storage? Difficult to police in real >life. > > > >At 08:26 AM 8/30/2010, you wrote: > >"..not ever stored.." means they are NEVER placed there for any > >reason ever. I have had the pleasure of playing semantics with > >those who will say, "they are STAGED, not stored", when I ask for how > >long, well that depends, might be a few hours, might be a few days. So > >from a personal standpoint, staging, handling, storage are > >all treated as storage. If there is any chance that any > >combustible commodities will be placed within the area for any length > >of time, it's a potential STORAGE area. > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET > >Fire Protection Specialist > >Mechanical Department > >CH2MHILL > >Lockwood Greene > >1500 International Drive > >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >Direct - 864.599.4102 > >Fax - 864.599.8439 > >[email protected] > >http://www.ch2m.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg > >McGahan > >Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:46 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: 2010 handling and storage of combustibles > > > > Can someone please look in the 2010 handbook and tell me what the > >intent of 8.15.7.1, 2 and 5 is? According to the way I read it - > > > >.1 states that all overhangs over 4' wide need protection UNLESS .2,.3 > >or .4 are met. > >.2 states that protection can be omitted if the overhang is over 4' > >wide and made of Non-comb material > >.5 states that protection is required if the overhang is OVER 2' wide > >and combustible materials are STORED > > > >Therefore, if you have a noncombustible canopy that is over 4'-0" wide > >where combustibles are loaded and unloaded but not stored then > >protection is not required regardless of the size of the overhang? > > > >So now we could have a canopy that covers thousands of square feet and > >yet materials are not ever "stored" under them and protection is not > >required? > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email > >to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ > >Sprinklerforum mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send an email > >to:[email protected] > >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >Todd G. Williams, PE >Fire Protection Design/Consulting >Stonington, CT >860.535.2080 >www.fpdc.com > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ >Sprinklerforum mailing list >[email protected] >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] >(Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) Todd G. 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