Jamie, It can be crazy tough to visualize all the slopes on a roof with dormers and hips. Here is one of the first exercises I have the students do in Semester One: - Take a flat roof plan and turn it into a 3D model. - Cut the paper to scale for the slope. - Tape together the pieces of paper so that you create a 3D model of the roof plan. An elegant and primary exercise all at the same time! I give the students a hard time about being back in Kindergarten with their "safety scissors" and tape..... "Hey Mom, look what I made at college today!" You can see pictures at the Fire Sprinkler Academy page on facebook. You can get there from the link on our homepage. Good stuff,
Cecil Bilbo Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology Champaign, IL www.sprinkleracademy.com > Subject: Re: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection > From: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:26:40 -0400 > To: [email protected] > > I remember the first attic I designed. I drove around for 2 weeks (on my off > time) staring at roof slopes, ridges and valleys... It finally began to make > sense! Now it just seems like second nature. :) > > Jamie > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 13, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Oh BARF!!! > > > > Doubt we'll ever use the Bilbo Velocity Formula in a class for hand calc's, > > but it is awesome for spreadsheets and programming. > > > > It is amazing what a little "fresh" thinking will do for ya'. > > > > I wish I had the guts to do some of the stuff I see being "performance > > based designed" out there. Your pumps and your designs are off the hook > > George. I just don't know many companies that are willing to spend the > > money (make the investment) to get to the point where they can do it. > > > > This industry isn't standing still and I applaud everyone that is trying to > > learn and keep up! > > > > Tomorrow, our students will be turning in a full and complete submital, > > stocklist and calc on an Attic I dreamed up. (It's midterms already!!) They > > are using Attic type sprinklers and it is fun to watch them have to step > > outside the box of typical sprinklers and spacing. Peaks, Hips, and eave > > sprinklers..... And all in 3-D too! > > > > The students could use some real projects to work on! (But I suppose that > > is true for everyone right now.....) > > > > > > Later dudes, > > > > Cecil Bilbo > > Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology > > Champaign, IL > > 845-878-4200 x138 > > www.sprinkleracademy.com > > > > > > > > > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection > >> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:40:52 -0400 > >> > >> Like our friend's brilliant son's formula for solving calcs without trial > >> and error. > >> Asked why we use trial and error instead of just solving it, and worked on > >> the formula until he got it right. > >> A rocket scientist in our business couldn't find fault with it. > >> A lot of midnight oil but Cecil will someday be teaching a class on > >> hydraulic calcs and teach students a formula named after his son who > >> developed it. Skyman is a chip off the old Cecil. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Thom > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:16 PM > >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection > >> > >> So what your saying is when you run into something in the code or standard > >> that has been there a while, you question if this is the only way to do it? > >> That's always a good start, but for things to change you also have to be > >> willing to follow thru and do the research, testing and get the "Proof" > >> that > >> your alternative will perform as well as or better than the existing > >> approved practice, and then commit to that all important step---Submit it > >> for review (Proposal to NFPA) > >> > >> We all have what we consider "Good" ideas from time to time, but how many > >> of > >> us follow thru? > >> > >> Follow thru on finding a new safe antifreeze, and then name it after > >> yourself, or your dog or a beloved member of this forum. But you can't even > >> consider what to name it until you've paid the due's. > >> > >> Thom > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:12 AM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: RE: Calcium Chloride antifreeze protection > >> > >> Matt- it never was 'up for consideration' as a possible resolution- just > >> another one of my hair-brained hypotheticals- (my latest for solving the AF > >> problem was inspired by G as he ripped me to shreds- I call it Mexican > >> Jumping Water- moving water is harder to freeze). I have no problem with > >> doing things the way they have always been done, but being level 4, I feel > >> bad when someone asks me why I am doing something that way, the only reason > >> I can give them is "Because that is how it is has always been done". This > >> industry needs, young, original thinkers, and old, stodgy thinkers both. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> > >> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > >> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
