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Matthew J. Willis, CET
Automatic Fire Sprinklers
Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
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> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum-
> >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:27 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >
> >8.6.4.1.2 only says you have to pick one of the following, not comply
> >with
> >all of them.
> >(3) is only there as a worst case scenario, especially when you read the
> >explanitory text in the handbook.  You should only take this option if
> >you
> >cannot take any other, and must place sprinklers in every bay space,
> >because
> >you can't meet the obstruction rules in 8.6.5.1.2.  If you have a
> >handbook,
> >exhibit 8.18 shows it perfectly.
> >
> >
> >
> >Benjamin Young
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Matthew J. Willis
> ><[email protected]>wrote:
> >
> >> I could agree. Everyone likes a good ceiling jet. But, there is no
> >mention
> >> of ceiling jet, only 1"-12" when equally spaced in bays. I will offer a
> >> simple question then. Why is this statement (3) in there if 1"-6" below
> >is
> >> the only concern? The other references to bay confirm this. Such as
> >> rotating
> >> branch lines but sprinklers must be installed in bays.... Spacing at
> >12.5
> >> for EH in 25' Bays....,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Matthew J. Willis, CET
> >> Automatic Fire Sprinklers
> >> Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
> >> 318-387-1134 Voice
> >> 318-816-1087 Mobile
> >> 318-387-1163 Facsimile
> >> [email protected]
> >>
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:sprinklerforum-
> >> > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline
> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:07 PM
> >> > >To: [email protected]
> >> > >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >
> >> > >And I think he should be fine as long as he is not more than 6"
> >below
> >> the
> >> > >bottom of the purlins, but then, I am a CEILING JET FREAK. Early
> >this
> >> > >year
> >> > >Roland straightened out a concerned poster by mentioning the
> >MOMENTUM of
> >> > >the
> >> > >ceiling jet- I thought 'ya, what Roland said', then I fire modeled
> >some
> >> > >set-ups, and thought 'YA, WHAT ROLAND SAID'!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >From: Ralphy Henderson [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:43 PM
> >> > >To: [email protected]
> >> > >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >
> >> > >I agree... that would mean the 12" from deck would come into effect.
> >I
> >> > >think
> >> > >9.2.4.2 (in the 07 ed) helps clarify what is meant by "bay" also.
> >> > >As far as Mike's original post goes, with 9 1/2" z-purlins, he
> >should be
> >> > >fine as long as he's not more than 2 1/2" below the bottom of the
> >> > >purlins.
> >> > >
> >> > >--- On Tue, 10/26/10, Matthew J. Willis <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >From: Matthew J. Willis <[email protected]>
> >> > >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >To: [email protected]
> >> > >Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 5:20 PM
> >> > >
> >> > >Good question. It is not defined in Chapter 3; however, there are
> >> several
> >> > >examples of "bay" throughout the standard. In particular note the
> >> figures
> >> > >showing typical calc areas. "Bay" as I understand it, is the area
> >> between
> >> > >the Frames that the purlin rest on.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >R/
> >> > >Matt
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >Matthew J. Willis, CET
> >> > >Automatic Fire Sprinklers
> >> > >Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
> >> > >318-387-1134 Voice
> >> > >318-816-1087 Mobile
> >> > >318-387-1163 Facsimile
> >> > >[email protected]
> >> > >
> >> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >> >From: [email protected] [mailto:
> >> sprinklerforum-
> >> > >> >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline
> >> > >> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:54 AM
> >> > >> >To: [email protected]
> >> > >> >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >It is something to think about I guess. But since the purlins are
> >the
> >> > >> >structural members impeding the heat flow, where does BAY come
> >in?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >> >From: Matthew J. Willis [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> > >> >Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 8:58 AM
> >> > >> >To: [email protected]
> >> > >> >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >I always thought subsection (3) superseded when spaced in the
> >bays.?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > R/
> >> > >> >Matt
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >Matthew J. Willis, CET
> >> > >> >Automatic Fire Sprinklers
> >> > >> >Norred Fire Systems L.L.C.
> >> > >> >318-387-1134 Voice
> >> > >> >318-816-1087 Mobile
> >> > >> >318-387-1163 Facsimile
> >> > >> >[email protected]
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >> >> >From: [email protected]
> >> > >[mailto:sprinklerforum-
> >> > >> >> >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline
> >> > >> >> >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:00 PM
> >> > >> >> >To: [email protected]
> >> > >> >> >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >If the purlin spacing does not exceed 7'-6", I think so.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> > >> >> >From: Bobby Gillett [mailto:[email protected]]
> >> > >> >> >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:53 PM
> >> > >> >> >To: [email protected]
> >> > >> >> >Subject: RE: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >If my understanding is correct, this is considered obstructed
> >> > >> >> >construction
> >> > >> >> >now so it would be per 8.6.4.1.2 and if the scenario is
> >typical to
> >> > >> >most
> >> > >> >> >purlin buildings you should be able to utilize 8.6.4.1.2 (1)
> >> 1"-6".
> >> > >> >What
> >> > >> >> >say
> >> > >> >> >everyone else?
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >Bobby Gillett
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >Sr. Project Manager
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >Key Fire Protection, Inc.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >(731) 267-4853 cell
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > <mailto:[email protected]>
> >> > >> >> >[email protected]
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >  _____
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >From: [email protected]
> >> > >> >> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> >> Mike
> >> > >> >> >Hairfield
> >> > >> >> >Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:44 PM
> >> > >> >> >To: AFSA SprinklerFORUM
> >> > >> >> >Subject: Maximum Deflector Distance below Z Purlins
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >OK Metal building with 9 1/2" Z-Purlins, what is maximum
> >distance
> >> > >that
> >> > >> >> >the
> >> > >> >> >deflector can be below the
> >> > >> >> >bottom of the Purlin.
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> >Mike
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