One of the key benefits of going to a 64-bit O/S is that it supports more than 4GB of memory. The memory addresses in a 32bit O/S max out at 4GB so even though my home PC with Vista 32 bit has 4 GB of Physical RAM, it doesn't get to use it all because when you subtract the addresses used by the 1 GB Videocard RAM and other RAM using processes that need the addresses, I lose the ability to use all the physical RAM I bought and installed in the motherboard. If I had bought or converted to a 64 bit Vista O/S it would be able to address all my RAM and give me more available RAM for programs I use.
David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE Engineering ---------------------------------------------------------------- Office of State Fire Marshal 141 Monticello Trail Columbia, SC 29203 Phone: 803.896.9833 Fax: 803.896.9806 Email: blac...@llr.sc.gov OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp ---------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 11:36 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: THE on XP Pro Trevor, Without understanding the tech details I do understand the overall problem. I just thought the whole work-around was funny and typical of how Microsoft just keeps patching and patching and the programs just grow in size. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Trevor Spain <supp...@igneusinc.com> wrote: > The primary problem is with 16 bit wide code. When running a 64 bit > operating system, the 64 bit processors can not run 16 bit code. When > running a 32 bit operating system 16 bit code is still supported. > > What you're doing with Virtual PC is emulating a 32 bit operating system as > an application running on your 64 bit operating system so that you can > execute old 16 bit code with it. > > Even some old 32 bit code programs used 16 bit code installers to save > floppy disk space. These programs could probably run if there was a way to > install them but the setup program won't run. > > A virtualized XP is also a good place to try out programs downloaded from > the internet that you're not sure of. If it catches a virus, delete the two > or three virtual pc image files and restore your backup. Of course, that > doesn't work if you don't have a backup. Make sure and backup the windows > xp virtual pc image files after your clean installation. > > On 10/28/2010 9:26 AM, Ron Greenman wrote: >> >> Interesting. Before Apple started using the Intel processor I had to >> use Virtual PC to run Windows on my Mac. I can now run both OSX and >> Windows natively on the Mac, but I need Virtual PC to run Win 7 on a >> PC at a level sufficient to operate an ancient and simple PC program >> on a PC? >> >> On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Trevor Spain<supp...@igneusinc.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Vista or Win 7 Home Premium users who have a valid XP installation disk >>> can >>> download Virtual PC 2007 free from microsoft. Then install XP under >>> Virtual >>> PC for running old programs. >>> >>> Of course, if a mission critical application takes this much trouble to >>> run >>> now, what happens after a couple more windows releases? It would seem >>> prudent to setup a virtual environment running "THE" under Virtual PC (or >>> Vmware or VirtualBox, etc.). Then the XP image could be backed up and >>> moved >>> to new PC's as you upgrade. >>> >>> I would take this approach if I had years worth of system data I wanted >>> to >>> keep access to. I wouldn't keep digging that hole, though. Might be >>> time >>> to look at other hydraulic calc apps that can easily run on vista and win >>> 7. >>> >>> Trevor Spain >>> Fire Pro Corporation >>> 404 N Cedar >>> Shelbyville, IL 62565 >>> >>> On 10/27/2010 1:38 PM, David Blackwell wrote: >>>> >>>> Windows XP Mode requires Win7 Pro or Ultimate OS. >>>> I had to upgrade my home laptop PC [64-bit] OS from Home Premium to Pro >>>> to get it so I can run old programs. >>>> It is a free but big download from Microsoft and runs in its own virtual >>>> environment and needs the other free download for Windows Virtual PC. >>>> >>>> The Microsoft website addresses both programs here: >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/ >>>> >>>> This web article might also be helpful: >>>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/why-all-the-fuss-over-xp-mode/896?tag=man >>>> tle_skin;content >>>> >>>> I did it myself, but I'm a PC geek and the former network, hardware,& >>>> software guru at my old employer [an engineering consulting firm]. >>>> If you are sufficiently PC savvy you might be able to do it yourself, >>>> too; otherwise, get your IT to look into it. >>>> >>>> >>>> David W. S. Blackwell, II, PE, CFI-I, CFPE >>>> Engineering >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Office of State Fire Marshal >>>> 141 Monticello Trail >>>> Columbia, SC 29203 >>>> Phone: 803.896.9833 >>>> Fax: 803.896.9806 >>>> Email: blac...@llr.sc.gov >>>> OSFM Website: http://www.llr.state.sc.us/firemarshal.asp >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org >>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve >>>> Leyton >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:59 AM >>>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>> Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro >>>> >>>> Win7 will run on any PC that can run XP, for the most part. But you >>>> need as much memory and processor speed as possible. We upgraded all >>>> of our existing work stations before we made the change we've got a >>>> minimum of 4GB of RAM on our machines now, up to 8GB on a couple of >>>> them. But from here on out, our new computers are going to be >>>> configured with ridiculous spec's, not only for the Win7 OS but for the >>>> graphics required for Navis, MEP, Revit, etc., etc. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org >>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Vince >>>> Sabolik >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 8:56 AM >>>> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>> Subject: RE: THE on XP Pro >>>> >>>> FIRST, you gotta buy a 64 bit machine, right? (g) >>>> >>>> >>>> At 11:38 AM 10/27/2010, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> THE is on a 16-bit platform and will NOT run in Windows 7. But Windows >>>>> 7 has an XP "machine" feature that allows older programs to be run >>>> >>>> Vince Sabolik >>>> Christi Fire Protection, Inc. >>>> 11351 Pearl Road >>>> Strongsville, Ohio 44136 >>>> >>>> T 440 572-7730 F 440 572-7719 Email: >>>> <mailto:vi...@christifire.com>vi...@christifire.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>> >>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>> to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org >>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>> >>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org >>> >>> To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org >>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > To Unsubscribe, send an email to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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