Have to memorize the formulas I guess. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Physical Science :)
WHAT? What about the math questions, etc that are not found anywhere close to any NFPA documents? On 11/3/2010 9:25 AM, Fletcher, Ron wrote: > NICET is going to attach electronic exhibits to the questions that require reference materials not allowed in the test room. It is my understanding that the only books allowed will be 13, 13R and 13D, no handbooks and no calculator. An electronic calculator will be available on the computer screen. > > > Ron Fletcher > Aero Automatic > Phoenix, AZ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:02 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > Someone can steal your car no matter what steps you take. Does that mean you > leave it unlocked with keys in it while parking on the streets of the city? > > For the certification process to be meaningful, the integrity of the system > must be maintained within applicable requirements. And to test ability to do > calcs, and apply fundamental formulas, you must prove that without software- > just as experienced folks can size up a system at a site without a > calculator by KNOWING how the variables work with each other. That doesn't > come from inputting data and pushing a button, any more than inputting data > and pushing a button proves an understanding of the fundamental equations. > > So, NO, you can't use all your tools. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > Sure, it's a time consuming process to update and change, but really, we > should be able to use the tools we use on a regular daily basis in the > execution of our job. Anyone here still doing their drawings with ink on > fabric, doing grid calcs on a pad with a pencil? Doubt it, you wouldn't be > in business. > > Cheaters will always find a way to cheat no matter what methods or > procedures are in place. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:22 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > Its not as easy as it sounds to change a 30-year old certification program > as you might think. > While it's a PIA to drag around all the reference materials, you must also > appreciate the numerous concerns and integrity requirements and restrictions > faced by any testing agency. They need to prevent theft of test questions, > they need to make sure you are using a hand calculator rather than allowing > the possibility you'll run a calc program on a PC or programmable > calculator, that you know where to look things up based on familiarity with > the references rather than rely on a word search, etc. > > NICET is moving along with PC-based testing at readily accessible testing > centers nationwide, with open scheduling and instant results. It's a large > undertaking with substantial volunteer contribution to make it work. To > speed it along, participate and donate your time and energy to the industry > that puts food on your table. > > NICET is also facing some competition in the market which may or may not > produce other streamlining of the process, but it is what it is and the > integrity of the process demands checking and validating the changes, and > that all takes time. Think of the 4 years +/- some of us have been involved > in the process, lugging ourselves to Alexandria, and -not to sound like the > proverbial schoolteacher, but I remember borrowing references from the > Atlanta fire marshal so I had to spend Fri afternoon going downtown, lugging > the books to the car, getting familiar with them Fri night, and lugging them > to the exam and on Monday AM back to City Hall. It builds character and > memories, like then-mayor Andrew Young getting in the elevator with me Fri > and observing what a fun weekend I must be stocking up for :) > > glc > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:56 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > Really, all of our codes are now in digital format. Much easier to search > and cheaper for the company. NICET needs to come into the 21st century with > this. It's just crazy lugging 30-40 lbs of reference books to a test. Had > one test that was on 2nd floor and had to tote the load up the stairs. Just > plain ridiculous. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Physical Science :) > > And don't forget to put index tabs on your references and take a > dictionary with you. > > What are they going to do when al this stuff is on our iPads? > > > At 06:39 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote: >> Same here, Brian. Of course I'm so old that when I took it with me >> it was only one volume, not two. >> -- >> >> PARSLEY CONSULTING >> >> Ken Wagoner, SET >> >> 760.745.6181 voice >> >> 760.745.0537 fax >> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>e-mail >> >> www.ParsleyConsulting.com<http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com>website >> >> >> >> >> On 11/2/2010 2:46 PM, Jamie.seidl wrote: >>> The fire protection handbook. 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