Just finished 3 great days on intermediate alarms. The way I understand it, the alarm test is this way now. I was told you can write on the pages of whatever you bring, formulas and such, and they highlight it when you walk in to be sure you leave with no other notes. They are making you use the calculator that comes with windows.
Matt Matthew J. Willis, CET Automatic Fire Sprinklers Norred Fire Systems L.L.C. 318-387-1134 Voice 318-816-1087 Mobile 318-387-1163 Facsimile [email protected] > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron > >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:25 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > > >NICET is going to attach electronic exhibits to the questions that > >require reference materials not allowed in the test room. It is my > >understanding that the only books allowed will be 13, 13R and 13D, no > >handbooks and no calculator. An electronic calculator will be available > >on the computer screen. > > > > > >Ron Fletcher > >Aero Automatic > >Phoenix, AZ > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] [mailto:sprinklerforum- > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church > >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 7:02 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > > >Someone can steal your car no matter what steps you take. Does that mean > >you > >leave it unlocked with keys in it while parking on the streets of the > >city? > > > >For the certification process to be meaningful, the integrity of the > >system > >must be maintained within applicable requirements. And to test ability to > >do > >calcs, and apply fundamental formulas, you must prove that without > >software- > >just as experienced folks can size up a system at a site without a > >calculator by KNOWING how the variables work with each other. That > >doesn't > >come from inputting data and pushing a button, any more than inputting > >data > >and pushing a button proves an understanding of the fundamental > >equations. > > > >So, NO, you can't use all your tools. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >[email protected] > >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:21 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > > >Sure, it's a time consuming process to update and change, but really, we > >should be able to use the tools we use on a regular daily basis in the > >execution of our job. Anyone here still doing their drawings with ink on > >fabric, doing grid calcs on a pad with a pencil? Doubt it, you wouldn't > >be > >in business. > > > >Cheaters will always find a way to cheat no matter what methods or > >procedures are in place. > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET > >Fire Protection > >CH2MHILL > >Lockwood Greene > >1500 International Drive > >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >Direct - 864.599.4102 > >Fax - 864.599.8439 > >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > >[email protected] > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George > >Church > >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 9:22 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > > >Its not as easy as it sounds to change a 30-year old certification > >program > >as you might think. > >While it's a PIA to drag around all the reference materials, you must > >also > >appreciate the numerous concerns and integrity requirements and > >restrictions > >faced by any testing agency. They need to prevent theft of test > >questions, > >they need to make sure you are using a hand calculator rather than > >allowing > >the possibility you'll run a calc program on a PC or programmable > >calculator, that you know where to look things up based on familiarity > >with > >the references rather than rely on a word search, etc. > > > >NICET is moving along with PC-based testing at readily accessible testing > >centers nationwide, with open scheduling and instant results. It's a > >large > >undertaking with substantial volunteer contribution to make it work. To > >speed it along, participate and donate your time and energy to the > >industry > >that puts food on your table. > > > >NICET is also facing some competition in the market which may or may not > >produce other streamlining of the process, but it is what it is and the > >integrity of the process demands checking and validating the changes, and > >that all takes time. Think of the 4 years +/- some of us have been > >involved > >in the process, lugging ourselves to Alexandria, and -not to sound like > >the > >proverbial schoolteacher, but I remember borrowing references from the > >Atlanta fire marshal so I had to spend Fri afternoon going downtown, > >lugging > >the books to the car, getting familiar with them Fri night, and lugging > >them > >to the exam and on Monday AM back to City Hall. It builds character and > >memories, like then-mayor Andrew Young getting in the elevator with me > >Fri > >and observing what a fun weekend I must be stocking up for :) > > > >glc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > >[email protected] > >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:56 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: RE: Physical Science :) > > > >Really, all of our codes are now in digital format. Much easier to > >search > >and cheaper for the company. NICET needs to come into the 21st century > >with > >this. It's just crazy lugging 30-40 lbs of reference books to a test. > >Had > >one test that was on 2nd floor and had to tote the load up the stairs. > >Just > >plain ridiculous. > > > >Craig L. Prahl, CET > >Fire Protection > >CH2MHILL > >Lockwood Greene > >1500 International Drive > >Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > >Direct - 864.599.4102 > >Fax - 864.599.8439 > >CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > >[email protected] > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [email protected] > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd > >Williams > >Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:08 PM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: Physical Science :) > > > >And don't forget to put index tabs on your references and take a > >dictionary with you. > > > >What are they going to do when al this stuff is on our iPads? > > > > > >At 06:39 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote: > >>Same here, Brian. Of course I'm so old that when I took it with me > >>it was only one volume, not two. > >>-- > >> > >>PARSLEY CONSULTING > >> > >>Ken Wagoner, SET > >> > >>760.745.6181 voice > >> > >>760.745.0537 fax > >> > >>[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>e-mail > >> > >>www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com>website > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>On 11/2/2010 2:46 PM, Jamie.seidl wrote: > >>>The fire protection handbook. 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