Lately we have had projects that require us to provide PE stamps. The last few projects, we were informed after award of contract and before submittal that we had to have a PE stamp on our drawings. We have a local PE that will do this, so we send in a change and get him to review and then approve. When he looks at them he researches the project, design build or not, and makes sure that everything is done per code before he will sign off. Some of the projects have a PE on record for the fire protection portion of the project and still want us to provide a PE stamp before submittal, that's the one that I do not understand; if they are the engineer of record for the fire protection on the project, why won't they do like they used to and review and stamp once it is approved through them? We have even bid a few that require this in the specs. now - even if the FP portion is engineered from the beginning.
Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Hewitt Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 11:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Louisiana Professional of Record question Craig, Sounds like someone has some "splainin" to do Lucy. Just because something is done as a design-build project would not somehow negate the need for a PE. In fact, just the opposite would hold true. Design-build implies PE involvement. In addition, if I was the AHJ, at this point, it is already designed (and perhaps in for permit and rejected), and now you want to add a PE and come back with the same design stamped by a PE, I would reject that as well, as it is obvious the PE just stamped the plans after the fact, and did not do or supervise the design. Good luck. Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member) Corporate Engineer Bi-State Fire Protection Corporation 241 Hughes Lane St. Charles, MO 63301 636-946-0011 636-946-5172 (fax) 314-574-6989 (cell) Fire Sprinklers Save lives. Can You Live Without Them? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Louisiana Professional of Record question What if it was done by a contractor as a design-build project? No PE involved. Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dale Wingard Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Louisiana Professional of Record question Craig, He has to be a PE. It is normally the Engineer that is part of the original design of the project. Dale F. Wingard, SET Design Manager Triple "A" Fire Protection, Inc. 251.649.2034 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Louisiana Professional of Record question I need to know from someone who regularly works in Louisiana what the submittal procedure is if drawings are produced for an owner from an outside design firm who is not the installing contractor. Is a POR required to be a PE? Where are the qualifications listed for the POR in relation to sprinkler shop drawings? Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 CH2MHILL Extension 74102 [email protected] _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3291 - Release Date: 12/01/10 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
