Roland, thank you for posting on this.  I was intending to calculate the
in-racks regardless of the reason for their installation, but the current
language can lead to creative reading.

Regarding substituting Group A for Class IV, I'm hesitant to use this
approach for encapsulated Class IV since encapsulation appears to boost the
protection up a notch. Maybe because encapsulated in-racks are 8 ft spacing
and plastics in-racks are 4-5 ft spacing for a similar one-level in-rack
configuration (each having 8 head flow @ 15 psi)? I see 16.1.2.2 and the
associated Annex material but I wish the word "encapsulated" would have
appeared in these sections.

Bill Brooks

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Rack Storage Sanity Check (13-2010)

I disagree with your assumption that you only add the in-rack demand  
when the arrangement without excessive clearance would otherwise call  
for in-rack sprinklers.  The supplemental in-racks are offsetting the  
clearance operating  simultaneously with the ceiling sprinkler.   
Having said that 12.1.3.4 is SLIENT on this issue.  Call that an  
OOPS.  I will pursue it at the ROC stage.

As for Class IV exceeding Group A plastic, it happens.  The Class IV  
criteria is judgement driven with minimal testing behind it so a  
strong dose of conservatism was warranted.  Group A plastics have had  
a ton of tests and when the same storage arrangement for Group A has a  
lower demand than Class IV, you can apply the Group A criteria (see  
16.1.2.2)

Roland

On Feb 17, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Bill Brooks wrote:

> Me too until the 2010 language.  Now it appears a single row of in- 
> racks can
> be used to make up for the excess ceiling clearance requirements for
> Chapters 16 and 17.  With this set of in-racks in place the racks  
> can be
> calculated at the actual storage height rather than the theoretical  
> Ceiling
> - 20 Chapter 16 (or Ceiling - 10 Chapter 17) height required by  
> 13-2007.
>
> The way I read this is the "ceiling clearance in-rack" flow does not  
> have to
> be added to ceiling flow if the commodity class and "assumed  
> acceptable
> clearance" would not otherwise require in-racks.  When the actual  
> storage
> height would necessitate the in-racks, then the in-racks could serve  
> double
> duty as the required in-racks as well as the "ceiling clearance in- 
> racks".
> In this case the in-rack flow is added.
>
> All this being stated, my concern is whether this approach is OK for  
> the
> Chapter 17 plastics.
>
> Bill Brooks

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