Dude, Ya gotta add to THAT list: > Commissioning per NFPA 3, but what's that? I see it on a list with "Easter > Bunny", "Tooth Fairy" and "Great Pumpkin", GSA, US NAVY, HARVARD..... >
Hey, would ya look at that?!?! Yer right, they go together..... :-) SprinklerGEEK > Subject: Re: Cx > To: SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org > From: st...@protectiondesign.com > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:13:26 +0000 > > Commissioning per NFPA 3, but what's that? I see it on a list with "Easter > Bunny", "Tooth Fairy" and "Great Pumpkin". > > SML > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Cliff Whitfield" <cl...@fire-design.com> > Sender: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:38:19 > To: <sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org> > Reply-To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Cx > > Craig, > > My guess is 'Commissioning'. > > Cliff Whitfield, SET > President > Fire Design, Inc. > 3784 Holly Ridge Trail > Marianna, FL 32448 > Ph: 850-526-1886 > Fx: 850-526-1884 > > cl...@fire-design.com > www.fire-design.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:31 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Cx > > CX? > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:18 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Cx > > Understand still no LEED points for sprinklers and we haven't released the > RP for Cx and Integrated Testing yet..... > So without points and without a procedure to follow, I think we're talking > infancy. > > However, I live in the sticks- but I do get out occasionally ;) and > occasionally communicate with others in the business when we venture across > the county line :) > I'm not hearing anything approaching Cx being mainstream. > > George Church > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > g...@rowesprinkler.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 3:50 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: As = L x S > > WHEN? IF.. > > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Thom <tmcma...@firetechinc.com> wrote: > > Just a follow up on "AS Built" drawings, won't they become "Common" > > practice as NFPA 3 Commissioning becomes more common??? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George > > Church > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:04 PM > > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: As = L x S > > > > Pain in ... > > Similar to badge heavy in this usage. > > > > George Church > > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > > g...@rowesprinkler.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad > > Casterline > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:44 PM > > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: As = L x S > > > > All true George, and maybe I worry a little too much, but when Gerzayn > > mentioned "Best Practice", the idea of not all heads ending up exactly > > as planned occurred to me. I left out the part about calcing all > > sched. 40 and figuring total pressure at all flowing outlets, not just > > a few! Have you ever had to "check your back pockets", because you > > still needed a little more? :) What does PIA stand for, can you say in > public? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Church [mailto:g...@rowesprinkler.com] > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 12:28 PM > > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: As = L x S > > > > In all seriousness, I find submission of AsBuilts in this industry as > > the exception rather than the rule, and the likelihood of AsBuilt > > Calcs even more remote, absent a contractual obligation and an > > engineer either smart enough or PIA enough to followup. > > > > > > > > > > Not saying they aren't a great idea for those whose systems don't > > closely resemble the original layout, just saying that it isn't > > exactly a mainstream issue. Absent buildings burning to the ground > > and/or people dying due to improper installation, we don't need to add > > the cost and if you want to see a contractor avoid something, how > > about taking the chance that their calc will indicate they need to go > > back into t a recently completed project and make changes! Now the > > building is occupied, now the drywall ceiling is up and tested- I can > > tell you the GC isn't looking to enforce since it'll cause hardship for > all. > > > > George Church > > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > > PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > > 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > > g...@rowesprinkler.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brad > > Casterline > > Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:17 AM > > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > Subject: RE: As = L x S > > > > Something else you might want to keep in mind is the idea of "AS-BUILT > > CALCULATIONS". Say you calc an Ord. Haz. II at 104 SF/head because the > > heads are 6'-6" from one wall and 4'-0" from another. But there is a > > conduit at 4'-0". The fitter knows 130 SF max for standard coverage > > heads in Ord. Haz., so 5'-0" is fine. You might have a little trouble > > with the as-built calcs in this case! > > > > ******************************************* > > Good morning. > > Thanks to all of you for your great answers. > > I see this in my first training with AFSA in 2004 (great raining) but > > once you are in the field, you have a lot of questions. > > I see a lot of times some designers who use in all cases the maximum > > coverage per sprinkler to do their hydraulic calculations, and when I > > ask them about the "As", they tell me that us the maximum coverage > > (based on the hazard classification) is a "Best Practice" because you > > do not need to find what is the largest sprinkler coverage in the hole > > system. With this forum, now I know I always need to use the maximum > > "As" in my most hydraulic demanding area, and that value will be used for > the calcs. > > Regards and thanks to all of you. > > > > Gerzayn Fuentes > > CEPI.mx > > Mexico > > Tel +52 (81) 17660800 > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > >_______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > >_______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > >_______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > For Technical Assistance, send an email to: supp...@firesprinkler.org > > > > To Unsubscribe, send an email > > to:sprinklerforum-requ...@firesprinkler.org > > (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) > > > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. 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