NFPA 13 2010 4.1 Level of Protection:  A building, where protected by an
automatic sprinkler system installation, shall be provided with sprinklers
in all areas except where specific sections of this standard permit the
omission of sprinklers.

As 4.2 refers to limited area systems, I believe the inference can be made
that 4.1 is referring to buildings considered fully sprinklered.


Steve Frederick
Project Manager
Vanderstelt Fire Protection, Ltd.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Hill
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 5:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: building code tradeoff

I do not have the code book in front of me, there is a section that states
if sprinklers are omitted from areas of the building in accordance with the
standard, the building is still considered to be fully sprinklered.

Mike Hill

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 8:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: building code tradeoff

We have a project where the architect has stated the following:


1.      We have installed draftstops in the attic space to subdivide the
space into areas less than 3000 sf.


2.      We are installing the fire protection system in the basement
according to 903.2.11.1.


3.      We are installing fire protection on the first and second floors to
allow a reduction in fire rating of the corridor walls, stairs, and the wall
separating the courtroom A3 from the B occupancy.


4.      We are installing the draftstops in the attic space and not
accepting the reduction but utilitzing the exception to 901.2.



5.      The architect has stated that only the basement is required to be
sprinklered.

This is a new courthouse. This is an architect that we have done work with
and he is sharp but I don't see read the IBC the same way. First we were
questioning not sprinklering the combustible attic. We don't have the water
available to do a dry system in that attic without a fire pump. I don't
think the reductions can be taken on first and second floor unless the
entire building is sprinklered per NFPA 13. Can he subdivide with draftstops
and then take the rating reductions on the first and second floor? I don't
think so but even if I am wrong and this can be done, wouldn't we still have
to increase our area on the second floor to 3,000ft? If so we would need the
pump anyway. Thanks for your input.

Rod DiBona
Rapid Fire






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