Like I said, it wasn't directed at you Mike, you just made me think of it. I'm sure I've been guilty many times myself. But many of these things do move around. My 1978 edition of 13 has only eight chapters and the latter one is entitled High Rise Buildings. Appendix C is Automatic Sprinkler Protection of Wood Manufacturing Plants.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Morey, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm usually fastidious about making sure I cite my source fully, in my > defense that particular reference has been in the same place since the big > 231/13 merger of 1999, but I was using 2010. > > Mike Morey, SET, CFPS > Sprinkler Designer > BMW Constructors, Inc. > O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > www.bmwc.com > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Ron Greenman > Sent: Wed 11/16/2011 2:29 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Draft Curtain > > > > Not directed specifically at Mike but could we all remember to cite edition > as well as chapter and verse. Knowing the edition cited is important for > knowing if the edition cited is valid in the interlocutor's jurisdiction > and for finding the right quotation. In my case I have codes going back > into the sixties and before. > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Morey, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: > > > A.8.3.2.7 is about as close to addressing this type of situation as 13 > > gets I think? > > > > > > Mike Morey, SET, CFPS > > Sprinkler Designer > > BMW Constructors, Inc. > > O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 > > www.bmwc.com > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: [email protected] on behalf of Jay Stough > > Sent: Wed 11/16/2011 11:36 AM > > To: Sprinkler -Forum > > Subject: Draft Curtain > > > > > > > > We are upgrading the sprinklers in a bay where the insurance company > > wants it to comply with NFPA 30, meaning I will have to use 286 degree > > sprinklers. We will be removing the existing piping and sprinklers to > > install new in this bay. The other bays in the building will have 212 > > degree sprinklers still. The bays are separated by 30" steel beams, so > the > > branch lines and sprinklers will be above that beam and separated from > the > > other sprinklers. I know that NFPA 13 (2010) 8.4.6.4 requires draft > > curtains for for ESFR sprinklers when using with standard sprinklers, > and I > > thought there was something elsewhere about temperature separations, but > I > > cannot find it. Now the insurance company wants to know if the 30" deep > > beam is enough separation. Can any one refresh my feweble brain and tell > > me where it's at in 13? 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