As far as the listed hangers go see NFPA 13 2007 - 9.1.1.4 (9.1.3  for
concrete). 

Bobby Gillett
Sr. Project Manager
Key Fire Protection, Inc.
(731) 424-0130 office  (731) 424-9285 fax 
(731) 267-4853 cell
www.keyfireprotection.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ben Young
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:49 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Hanger fastener listings

Here's the story I got from my Hilti rep:  They changed production
factories, so that means they have to resubmit to FM approval with a new
manufacturing location.  In the Mid-Atlantic, they supposedly have a 2-year
supply from the old factory, and these are still FM-approved.  Eventually
the new factory will gets it FM approval and everything will be fine.

Again, this is from our Hilti rep, so who knows what the deal is since your
rep said something completely different.  It sure would be nice to get
something in writing from the company, no?

We looked at switching to the Sammy concrete screws in the interim.

Benjamin Young



On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Dewayne Martinez <[email protected]> wrote:

> My rep gave me a call and said the no longer have any listings for the
> mini, something about not being ICC cracked concrete certified.  I
> checked the latest cut sheets and the listings are indeed gone.  We use
> these in hollow core precast or post tension concrete.  I know the
> Powers Snake is UL/FM listed but my fitters seem to like the Hilti
> better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve
> Leyton
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:02 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Hanger fastener listings
>
> What listing did they lose?   They had UL and also an ICC ESR# if I'm
> not mistaken.
>
>
> Steve Leyton
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dewayne
> Martinez
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:59 PM
> To: SprinklerFORUM
> Subject: Hanger fastener listings
>
> NFPA 13 (07ed) section 9.1.1.4.3
>
>
>
> This section states that fasteners in 9.1.3, 9.1.4, and 9.1.5 shall be
> permitted to be not listed but the 1st sections under 9.1.3 and 9.1.4
> call for listed fasteners.
>
> The reason I bring this up is that Hilti has lost their listing for the
> HDI-P insert ("Hilti mini")and I want to verify if I can still use them.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Dewayne Martinez
>
> Design Build Fire Protection
>
> 262-784-7900 (w)
>
> 262-784-8401 (f)
>
> 414-349-0468 (cell)
>
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