How'd that diesel work-out on sound reduction Tom? "...and painted it red for fire protection." is priceless Craig. And of course, George, "...where this is permited in #20 because you can't find it and you, and 600 of your sprinkler friends, have never seen it done. Might be a reason." You guys just made a good day great.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Tom Duross <tduro...@comcast.net> wrote: > I saw it done once when the pump was on the second floor of an elderly > high-rise. I was a draftsman (leadholders, scumbags and erasing shields) > at the time working for an MEP firm. It's about a mile from NFPA in > Quincy. What they did was mount the pump on a precast concrete plank, > grout it and the plank/pad was supported by vibration isolators. Plus > there were flexible braided seismic connectors on the suction and > discharge. Oh, and it was a diesel! It was to help with vibration and > noise. > TD > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:52 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators > > Looks like someone did a cut and paste from a general mechanical spec and > just painted it red for fire protection. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Key > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:48 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators > > Good input guys, I thought it was a cook book spec but needed some info to > reply. BTW here is the actual spec section > > Mount fire pump(s) on vibration spring-type isolators. Provide hot dipped > galvanized housings and neoprene coated springs. Minimum horizontal > stiffness shall equal to 75 percent vertical stiffness with working > deflection between 0.3 and 0.6 of maximum deflection. Provide with leveling > devices with minimum 1/4 inch (6 mm) thick neoprene sound pads and zinc > chromate plated hardware. > 1. Sound Pads: Size for minimum deflection of 0.05 inch (1.2 mm) and meet > requirements for neoprene pad isolators. > 2. Restraint: Provide heavy mounting frame and limit stops. > > > > C.Gregg Key, SET > Key Fire Protection Services,Inc > Project Manager > (O) 706-790-3473 > (C) 706-220-8821 > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Timothy W Goins > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:38 PM > To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators > > They're called vibration arresters and I can see where there will be > alignment problems. Ask your pump supplier if he has a listed assembly that > uses them, if not supply a letter indicating such to the EOR and a RFI for > farther instructions. > > "For I am not ashamed of the gospel , , because it is God’s power for > salvation to everyone who believes..." HCS Romans 1:16 > > On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Todd Williams <t...@fpdc.com> wrote: > > > Lets think about this. The pump is going to be on springs and will be > able to move up and down and side to side. When the pump starts, the > impeller will rotate creating a torque. The torque will push down on some > springs and lift up on others. Whereas the torque is usually absorbed by > the pad, it will now be absorbed by the pipe and fittings attached to it > (until the springs max out). I will be outside with a catcher's mitt to > collect the flying debris. > > > > > > > > At 05:05 PM 10/1/2012, you wrote: > >> Might be quicker to ask the specifying EOR where this is permited in > #20 because you can't find it and you, and 600 of your sprinkler friends, > have never seen it done. Might be a reason. > >> Plus it might > >> a-make him think > >> b-make him look at #20 > >> c-make him figure it out while you do something productive. > >> > >> > >> George L. Church, Jr., CET > >> Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > >> PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 > >> 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax > >> g...@rowesprinkler.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > >> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bobby > >> Gillett > >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 2:39 PM > >> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > >> Subject: RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators > >> > >> We do a good share of pumps, doesn't sound like a good idea to me > either. I would definitely run it by the pump representative and get their > thoughts. > >> Curious to see who is requiring this and how it shakes out. > >> > >> Bobby Gillett > >> Sr. Project Manager > >> Key Fire Protection, Inc. > >> (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax > >> (731) 267-4853 cell > >> www.keyfireprotection.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org > >> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron > >> Greenman > >> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 1:31 PM > >> To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > >> Subject: Re: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators > >> > >> This does not sound like a good idea to me. After a cursory glance at > 20, the Handbook, and a couple of others books I couldn't find anything to > back up my gut opinion. I'm curious as to what others think and know. > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Gregg Key <gr...@keyfps.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Formites and fire protection friends, > >>> > >>> Has anyone here ever installed an electric fire pump on these spring > >>> type isolators? We usually install them on a pad, but recently had > >>> someone require us to install on the isolators. Any help would be > appreciated. > >>> > >>> C.Gregg Key, SET > >>> Key Fire Protection Services,Inc > >>> Project Manager > >>> (O) 706-790-3473 > >>> (C) 706-220-8821 > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >>> Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > >>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ron Greenman > >> Instructor > >> Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College > >> 1101 So. 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