Here is one that is number one on my list.

The designer was told the existing fire pump had a rated head of 180 feet.
Instead of converting that head to 78 psi, he inverted the conversion and
thought the pump was 415 psi. Calculations were done, system designed,
stamped by an "engineer", approved by the authorities and installed by the
sprinkler contractor. Interestingly, though the pipe sizing was based on a
415 psi pump, heads rated for high pressure were not installed. Ten years
after it was installed, the building was sold and the insurance guy started
to wonder why the warehouse addition had small piping compared to the
adjacent warehouse that was older. That was when the stuff hit the fan.

Tony     

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Sent: December 13, 2012 9:50 AM
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Subject: RE: advice

Regardless of what the status of the design or knowledge and background of
the designer is, the comment is inappropriate. Believe me, I've seen some
crap, but personal attacks do nothing but create animosity and make the
problem even more difficult to resolve. Yes the problems needs to be
detailed and addressed, but that type of behavior needs to be called out
right away. 


At 11:39 AM 12/13/2012, you wrote:
>Was that one of my review comments?   LOL
>
>Seriously,  I've seen some seriously miserable excuses for design documents
that I have no idea how the installers could have even used them for
anything other than to line the bottom of their gang boxes.  But hey, there
are times when I've gotten the impression that the submitting contractor
thinks we're just some dumb group of engineers whose reviewers wouldn't know
a standpipe from a stove pipe, right?  Just stamp approved on the drawings
and we're all good to go.   NOT!
>
>Drafting Standards and quality drawing production is a lost art.
>
>
>So my response to a comment like this if I was the recipient would to be to
ask for specifics.  What lead the reviewer to this response?
>
>He may be 100% spot on or HE might not have a clue how to read the calcs,
that's' always the flip side.  Maybe he needs some education or an
explanation.  I'd call him and ask what specific issues he had and see if
talking him through some of those would help him with the review.  
>
>
>Craig L. Prahl, CET   
>Fire Protection
>CH2MHILL
>Lockwood Greene
>1500 International Drive
>Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
>Direct - 864.599.4102
>Fax - 864.599.8439
>CH2MHILL Extension  74102
>[email protected]
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>ParsleyConsulting
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:57 AM
>To: SprinklerFORUM
>Subject: advice
>
>I have to admit I'm completely at a loss for how to respond to a written
review comment a friend of mine received yesterday.  It read as follows:
>
>"The person that ran the hydraulic calculations has obviously not been
trained to use the program and is not knowledgeable in sprinkler system
design."
>
>As you might well imagine he's quite upset.  Anyone have advice on how to
proceed?
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>
>PARSLEY CONSULTING
>
>Ken Wagoner, SET
>
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>
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>
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Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860.535.2080
www.fpdc.com

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