If you're not paying for it, automatic is great.  The fact remains that once 
you go automatic, it's not "just the pump" the owner is buying, but the 
increased electrical feed, genset if required, additional maintenance,  
possible secondary utility feed from an adjacent electric grid.  Diesel can be 
cheeper in the long run, but still has it's own issues.  The cost add up quick. 
 I've got some numbers from a case study on pumps, electric vs diesel at the 
office I can forward if you want.  Bottom line, keep it simple, if it works 
with no pump, awesome.  If not, add the pump and reduce the pipe size.

Sent from my iPhone
Jamie

On Jan 23, 2013, at 9:57 PM, "Garth W. Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am a proponent of automatic.  It generally allows smaller piping on the 
> floors from the pressure selected to produce the fire hose flows at the roof 
> and if installed tested and inspected properly is every bit as reliable as 
> any other piece of the equation (underground and interior pipe, valves, etc).
> 
> Garth
> retired fitter
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Matt Grise
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: manual vs automatic standpipes
> 
> I am looking at a project where the AHJ may potentially require an automatic 
> standpipe (fire pump) in a non high-rise building.(city water is adequate for 
> fire sprinkler system)
> 
> Is this fairly common/has anyone else come across it?
> 
> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II
> Sales Engineer
> Alliance Fire Protection
> 130 w 9th Ave.
> North Kansas City, MO 64116
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