Code/words/diagrams.
Sometimes it is hard to describe some items using only text.
I like NFPA 58's ( propane) schematics describing tank, fill point, relief
valve locations in relations to property lines, buildings, openings...
It makes even what is a poorly written standard usable.
Even with the diagram in 13 about how to extend a sprinkler system into a
freezer folks can get only part way there on first attempt.
Drawings are nice.
Bv
-----Original message-----
From: John Drucker <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, Jan 30, 2013 18:00:52 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: Fire Marshal requirement?
You mean to say after all the proposals, comments,hearings, adoption
comments the rules aren't clear ? Could that be the issue and not the
enforcer ?
John Drucker - Mobile Email
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
<[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed Jan 30 12:54:05 2013
Subject: Fire Marshal requirement?
Jim:
thanks for the explanation on job duties.
that kinda explains why some AHJ's won't bend to help "interpret" a grey
area, but it does not justify why they wont. If we all adjust in tiny bits
to accomodate the larger goal of improved design, then things tend to move
smoother, down the line. When someone rigidly follows a job title,
lock-step, it is explainable, but they don't get a great review from my
point of view. And then there are the few that make interpretations on the
far side of conservative, regarding the prescriptions, with no credibility,
other than their ability to stall construction.
Its obvious we are all part of a team, but the incentives (in this case,
the FM written job description) is not helping, and obviously is hurting.
We are not machines. We are interpreting things as they need
interpreting, from time to time, and that is where we need to think of
ourselves as part of a design team (AHJ, designer / technician, EOR, owner,
and even the users of the building). Yeah, I know a lot of team members
are greedy, egotistical full-tards, which makes it hard to work
cooperatively with them. Maybe we should rate all the team members with
360 degree reviews... Something should be done to offer better
incentives to work together and de-incentivise (or televise) the bad
actions so as to make them better actors.
scot deal
Excelsior Fire/Risk Engineering
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