Wouldn't that be like robbing Ft Knox? That's a lotta truckloads of fertilizer
Sent from my iPhoner On Apr 26, 2013, at 2:25 PM, "Maurice Marvi" <[email protected]> wrote: > As I put on my tin foil hat, > > Isn't a fire a great way to cover up the theft of a large amount of > Ammonium Nitrate? > > Taking hat off, joining regular society > > Maurice Marvi > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Steve Leyton" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: West, TX explosion > > I'm not suggesting that they had sinister intentions, but I'll betcha a > dollar to a dime that we're gonna find out there were all manner of > violations and corners cut in their safety program. They were fined > $10,000 last summer for safety violations by the U.S. Pipeline and > Hazardous Materials Safety Administration, but that fine was reduced to > $5,250 after the company claimed to have made corrections. Are you > bleeping kidding me? 5 thousand bucks ain't a pimple on a bear's ass > to a good sized company. Here's one thing I'm sure of: make the fine > $5,250 for every word in the notice of violation and you'll have an > actual deterrent effect. > > Steve Leyton > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:23 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: West, TX explosion > > Just to take some of the sinister connotation out of a facility storing > 270 tons or ammonium nitrate (fertilizer), that is only enough to do a > single springtime application to about 900 acres of hay fields. Based on > the amount of farming in the midsection of the U S, I'm betting there > are many, many, and much bigger facilities scattered across rural > America. > Mark at Aero > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Steve Leyton > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:00 AM > To: [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: RE: West, TX explosion > > Todd - your numbers aren't exactly right, but there are definitely going > to be some very compelling questions asked over the next few days and > weeks. The plant had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate; Federal law states > that you must make a declaration to Homeland Security if you keep over a > ton. The company apparently did file a disaster plan with the EPA, but > various reports hint that it was for an airborne release of anhydrous > ammonia only, and hadn't been updated since 2011. It has also been > reported that the company may have made declarations to state and local > agencies, but this begs the question of why there wasn't a HSA > declaration and whether or not the good-old-boys network was working to > facilitate this local business keeping their ammonium nitrate storage > under wraps, so to speak. Timothy McVeigh used approximately 2 tons of > this stuff in OKC; 270 tons is a wee bit more than that. The family > that owns this business is obviously in deep voodoo, as are the > regulatory agencies that missed this - or worse, covered it up. > > Steve Leyton > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Steve Mackinnon > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:39 AM > To: [email protected]; > [email protected] > Subject: RE: West, TX explosion > > OMG! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Todd - Work > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:09 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: West, TX explosion > > From reading the latest reports, the fertilizer facility in West, TX > that exploded had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate on site. They had > previously told authorities that they had nothing hazardous. They were > required to file with DHS if they have more than 400 pounds on site and > only exceeded that by 1350 times. (Don't forget, Timothy McVeigh used a > lot of that at the OK City bombing). Obviously there is a problem at the > management level. > > So when we evaluate facilities for sprinkler protection, how are people > handling hazardous materials? As a PE, I will address it one way. If a > contractor is looking at it in a design/build project, how is that being > addressed? > > Todd G Williams, PE > Fire Protection Design/Consulting > Stonington, CT > www.fpdc.com > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler > .org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler > .org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler > .org > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler > .org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
