Wagoner....you need to answer this one...

Steven Scandaliato, SET CFPS
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis
Mack
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:09 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NFPA 13 '10 9.3.6 BL Restraint

Arm over is defined as pipe supplying a single head - if I remember
correctly. Restraint is not required for arm overs. So technically not
required. 

Travis Mack, SET
MFP Design, LLC

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> On Oct 20, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "Cahill, Christopher" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> 
> Issue is not about vertical restraint from >100 psi. Well below. This is
strictly an EQ question. 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] 
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
> Dwight Havens
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:13 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 '10 9.3.6 BL Restraint
> 
> pendent heads w/ > 100 psi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, October 20, 2013 6:44 PM, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Isn't the thrust restraint a requirement for systems with pressures in
excess of 100 psi?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Greenman [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 09:42 PM
> To: [email protected] 
> <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 '10 9.3.6 BL Restraint
> 
> Don't have anything at the moment. Is this eq country? Somewhere there's
something that requires up thrust restraint at the end of line. I think
lateral is only required for seismic areas, but I'd need to read the section
before I made an unequivocal statement. No books in the car. 
> 
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>> On Oct 20, 2013, at 2:08 PM, "Cahill, Christopher" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> 
>> Got a code section that connects a length of a BL to a restraint or the
inverse of what you said, that if it needs a hanger then it needs restraint?
I got one that says it doesn't, 9.3.6.7 Drops and armovers shall not require
restraint. 3.5.3 Arm-Over. A horizontal pipe that extends from the branch
line to a single sprinkler or a sprinkler above and below a ceiling. I just
find it odd I can have a 2" pipe 100' long serving one head and it doesn't
need anything but regular old gravity hangers.  Or I can't find anything to
challenge 9.3.6.7.  My case I have a bunch of 3-8'  1" legit armovers.
Contractor didn't install restraint and I think he's right technically. 
>> 
>> Chris Cahill, PE*
>> Senior Fire Protection Engineer
>> Burns & McDonnell
>> 8201 Norman Center Drive
>> Bloomington, MN 55437
>> Phone:  952.656.3652
>> Fax:  952.229.2923
>> [email protected]
>> www.burnsmcd.com
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
rongreenman .
>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 2:19 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: NFPA 13 '10 9.3.6 BL Restraint
>> 
>> Restraint is to avoid upward thrust and side to side thrust, whipping 
>> for Devo fans, at the end of a branch line. If an armover does not 
>> need a  hanger it wouldn't need restraint
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Cahill, Christopher
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>> 
>>> Two questions.
>>> 
>>> Is there a length of an armover that needs restraint?  Imagine a 12'
>>> armover that only feeds one head.
>>> 
>>> Can restraint be connected to something other than structure, like a 
>>> concrete floor above?
>>> 
>>> Chris Cahill, PE*
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>>> Burns & McDonnell
>>> 8201 Norman Center Drive
>>> Bloomington, MN 55437
>>> Phone:  952.656.3652
>>> Fax:  952.229.2923
>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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