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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:24 AM, <craig.pr...@ch2m.com> wrote: > Ok just to follow up with the outcome. > > Had our meeting with the client, explained access issues and Code > requirement of "Approved access". > > Our 2nd foam room will be at grade level in one of two decent locations. > They may even push Process guys out of the way for this FP system. That's > a huge thing in the industrial world. > > A win for fire protection this early in the day has me cautious about the > rest of the day. ;) > > Thanks guys for all the shared input and insight. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group Lead > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark A. > Sornsin, P.E. > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:44 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Location of foam system valve room on 2nd floor - permitted? > > Just to reiterate Scott's point: Maintenance is huge and his examples are > extremely valid. We were once painted into a corner on our first foam job > many years ago. The foam tanks were put on a mezzanine above the risers. > But we ensured there was plenty of room on the mezzanine for bladder > removal, and double doors on the exterior wall of the mezzanine for better > access to remove/replace bladders or tanks (via fork lift). Not ideal, but > serviceable. > > (BTW - my favorite example of lack of maintenance foresight is a foam job > (by others) which included a vertical bladder tank located below a second > level - with about 2 ft. of clearance above the tank. When the bladder > needs replacement, the entire tank will have to be disconnected and removed > from the building. There may also be some other piping that needs removal > to allow this to happen. Of course, this is a non-issue if you simply > blow-off maintenance...). > > Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection > Engineer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 | > http://www.kfiengineers.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:26 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Location of foam system valve room on 2nd floor - permitted? > > I have two possible Aces up my sleeve. > > IFC 2009 509.2: Equipment Access. Approved access shall be provided and > maintained for all fire protection equipment to permit immediate safe > operation and maintenance of such equipment. > > This site has a dedicated fire service who act as first response to all > the client facilities who occupy this industrial park. They are the AHJ > for the park. They will be contacted to get their input. There is also > the State Fire Marshal's office that also has input. > > Second is the fact that the proposed location provides no way to bring (6) > 4" lines into the building. > > So I've got some ammo to shoot down this concept. > > Craig L. Prahl, CET > Fire Protection Group Lead > CH2MHILL > Lockwood Greene > 1500 International Drive > Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 > Direct - 864.599.4102 > Fax - 864.599.8439 > CH2MHILL Extension 74102 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Scott A > Futrell > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:21 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Location of foam system valve room on 2nd floor - permitted? > > No code restrictions, but certainly foam systems concerns. 55 gallon > drums to second floor with stairs? Bladder tanks? Lay 'em down to replace > bladder that gets torn. Craig, am I missing something? If not, I've seen > this before and it gets ugly real fast. I've worked on an existing hanger > that they buried the big tanks in a corner, tore the bladder and have to > cut the roof open to lift them out, to lay it down, to replace it. > > Scott Futrell > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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