Been there, done that..... This is what I expected but was curious to see if there was an actual amendment and would have loved to see the documentation for the request..... thanks
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: EQ Bracing I believe I know what jurisdiction Ron F is talking about. I have explained to their reviewers that per the IFC that they have adopted, bracing is not required in Seismic Design Category A/B. I ask for a reference as to where it is required. I get pointed to Chap 9 of NFPA 13. I get told that this is the way we do it and it has to be done this way or it won't get approved. After awhile, your head gets flat from beating it against the wall so much and you just comply. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected] On 12/11/2013 4:28 PM, Rod DiBona wrote: > Ron, > > Curious ... " because they can..." Does that mean that they have a local > amendment, are using the IFC catchall that they can do what they think ( > appendix clearly shows that wasn't intent but is used as a hammer) or does it > mean it isn't worth the fight because you may win the battle in court but > lose the war for the next 20 years you work in their area? > > Rod at Rapid > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > They make us install sway braces in a non-seismic zone because they can. We > ask if they want calc's and the answer is what calc's? Were just trying to > get by. We also put $5k worth of overfill protection on a 180 gallon diesel > fuel tank in a pump room, because they make us. Pretty hard to justify either > one. > Ron F > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Steve Leyton > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:32 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > Drive screws? Lags are no longer allowed because they pull out. Drive screws > are ... negligent, arguably. > > Forest - all I can say about your spacing template is that it's five editions > old and any BO that accepts it isn't doing the due diligence. > > Steve Leyton > > -------- Original message -------- > From: [email protected] > Date:12/11/2013 10:16 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > We have jurisdictions in AZ that require what we call "feel good bracing". > No calc's required, use drive screws to attach brace from 8" pipe to wood 2x6 > at the roof. A little different from the hoops we jump through for OSHPAD in > CA. > Ron F > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Steve Mackinnon > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: EQ Bracing > > What is the difference? > > Steven MacKinnon > Fire Protection Division > Hartcorn Plumbing and Heating, Inc. > 850 South Second Street > Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 > Office 631-580-2300 Fax - 631-580-1090 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:47 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: EQ Bracing > > That doesn't work in seismic zones Forest. That's sway bracing, not seismic > bracing. > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Forest Wilson Fire Sprinkler Contractor < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Keep simple? >> 4 way every change of direction. >> Longitudinal every 80. >> Latitudes every 40. >> Flexible couplings top and bottom of riser. >> >> These guidelines will satisfy most building departments. >> Some will want calculations etc. >> >> >> Forest Wilson >> Fire Sprinkler Contractor >> 937-736-0425 >> >> Notice: >> This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or otherwise >> protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have >> received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail reply and delete >> it from your system; you may not copy this message or disclose its >> contents to anyone. 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