Hey Jerry this is Brad,
I hope you don't mind me chiming in again while you wait for experts.
If you believe your clients will never have 6 big dry Christmas trees fully 
engulfed in their living room say when the head activates, then it really 
doesn't matter what psi or k you use.

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 5:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
> Cecil and Forum:
> 
> Sorry to read of your diappointment, Cecil - I feel, however, you are 
> putting a few words in my mouth. What I was actually saying is: Based on Mr. 
> Fleming's presentation in Seattle a few years ago, I continue to feel 
> confident 
> the systems I design for new homes do NOT pose a risk and/or hazard for 
> owner/occupants. My memory may be a little "hazy", but I seem to recall Russ 
> saying his presentation was based on two (or three) separate independent 
> laboratory tests. I remember his - or my - comparison with the traditional 
> 'fire 
> triangle' (remove one component and no combustion/explosion).
> 
> I would prefer to put your statement like this: My confidence level is very 
> high that my Client(s) will not experience an anti-freeze "event" so long 
> as my designs are based on low pressure levels (Northern NM wells at 40 to 45 
> psi), 'k' factors at 4.9+ and glycerin concentrations at NTE/pre-mix 48% 
> (all combined, not "either/or"). Using (FP) engineering judgement, AHJ 
> "approval", historical data, New Mexico sprinkler success stories w/glycerin 
> enets 
> - I feel confident enough that I designed my own house using this approach. 
> If my house blows up tommorrow, you will have been correct. But don't hold 
> your breath.
> 
> I am not suicidal, nor am I stupid (my words). If you think I had the 
> slightest doubt and went ahead with an anti-freeze design for a billionaire's 
> 28,000 sq. ft. house - glycerin THROUGHOUT/not just the attic - then I, too, 
> am 
> disappointed. When I see factual data that supports the contention that I 
> should not be designing glycerin systems in any homes, I will stop said 
> design and drain down the system in my own house. My position remains based 
> on my 
> (current) understanding of laboratory test results.
> 
> If someone will correct me here: Am I to understand that (roughly) 
> half-a-dozen 'events' over some 70+ years of anti-freeze installations is 
> justification for eliminating all anti-freeze systems? Am I totally "out of 
> the loop" 
> in New Mexico? Or, do I recall a few of those (more recent) explosions were 
> actually attributed to extremely high concentrations of glycol/glycerin??
> 
> Where are the "experts" that I expected to hear from - other than Cecil??? 
> The life you save might be mine???
> 
> Regards to All-
> 
> Jerry
> [email protected]
> Santa Fe, New Mexico
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