Talk about 'shadow areas' :) one of the things in 13 that used to jump out at me was Sprinklered Throughout because for control mode if a fire got too much of a head start it might overwhelm the Control aspect. I have had the privilege of helping PEs prepare Code Modification Requests. In no case have these CMRs been able to show that no sprinklers is equivalent to sprinklers, if fact they have been the other way around as in beef up the sprinklers and some other life safety aspect might be relaxed. 13 is supposed to provide a reasonable minimum though and it has been pointed out that we are all in this to make money. Sprinklering everything throughout is easier to understand than the contingency that if a pool area changed occupancy we would have to sprinkler it-- what if it was converted to an ice- skating rink?
> On Feb 3, 2014, at 6:22 PM, "rongreenman ." <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm with Ben and don't like it, but if the rules are followed then using it > for other than holding water would mean you've changed the configuration > from an accepted omission to something else (like removing insulation that > allowed you to omit sprinklers under a platform) thereby requiring a > re-evaluation of the space. That should elicit a storm of postings from the > what if crowd: "What if they don't fix it?" That's exactly the same as: > "What if they drain it?" We can't work in what-ifs, because it's a badger > hole. Not only is it deep and seemingly endless, but if you do get to the > last what if you get mauled by the badger. No thanks. If the committee > rules that omission is acceptable then I will omit per code. If it becomes > storage for 100,000 yoga mats or 50 drums of methyl ethyl death then it > needs changing to accommodate, not prior anticipation. > > >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Boo! >> >> >> Benjamin Young >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Roland Huggins >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> A very belated follow-up on this thread, the first draft will allow >>> omission of sprinklers directly above the pool. Did not see anything on >>> what about those cases where the pool drained and converted to storage. >>> >>> Roland >>> >>> >>> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering >>> American Fire Sprinkler Assn. --- Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives >>> Dallas, TX >>> http://www.firesprinkler.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > > > -- > Ron Greenman > Instructor > Fire Protection Engineering Technology > Bates Technical College > 1101 So. Yakima Ave. > Tacoma, WA 98405 > > [email protected] > > http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ > > 253.680.7346 > 253.576.9700 (cell) > > Member: > ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC, WFSC > > They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, > essayist, philosopher, and statesman (1561-1626) > > A problem well stated is a problem half solved. -Charles F. Kettering, > inventor and engineer (1876-1958) > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
