Well said Bill. As AHJ we make every attempt to explain why based on commentary, annexes and records of code hearings. However there comes a point where we simply move beyond the banter and enforce the rule, if someone doesnt agree then take it to the next level thru appeal and or the courts, a new group of people will begin the rule enforcement process. Arguing with us ahjs wouldn't change the rule. As for the standards council, been there and done that once by way of a NITMAM. A year of research work, comments, more comments culminating travelling to Chicago to change one word in a standard that I, and apparently others, felt strongly about. In the time since tens of thousands of words have changed. I've accepted that others have a say. So the next time someone wants to continue beyond the printed why explanation I point in the direction of Chicago. John Drucker - Mobile Email
----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Thu Mar 13 15:08:45 2014 Subject: RE: Pre-fabbed Hangers and Drops This is not the "why" group. This is the "follow-the-rules" group, which includes engineers, educators, AHJs, designers, installers, and manufacturers, because NFPA 13 is a rule book and not an engineering guide. If you want to reach the "why" group, submit Proposals to the NFPA 13 committee during the Proposal period, or begin sending Comments during the Comment period. By doing this you will get direct feedback in the form of Committee Responses directly addressing your concerns. Send them your good ideas, then challenge them all the way to the Standards Council if you wish. You sound like the kind of person who would enjoy the jousting. Bill Brooks -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 2:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Pre-fabbed Hangers and Drops True enough! Actually, there are quite a few ceiling height changes and surface mounted lights and other fixtures. Thank you very much Vince. You are one of the few whom did not reply to my Why? why? why? with "DON"T WORRY ABOUT IT JUST DO IT" -----Original Message----- From: Vince Sabolik [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pre-fabbed Hangers and Drops Very Obvious = Target Hell, Brad even I can remember that far back. And no, I'm proud of you as I am "all my chillun" On 3/13/2014 1:29 PM, Brad Casterline wrote: > I want it to be very obvious to the students that their dormitory is > sprinklered, and if they get to horsing around too much and break one, they > will all go off and flood the place. Once they graduate I will set > them straight. > Thanks Vince, my mentor*, I knew I could count on you. > Brad > > *i hope you are not ashamed of that-- I am not your fault! :) ! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vince Sabolik [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:11 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Pre-fabbed Hangers and Drops > > I think it'll work fine. Why deep plates? > > Vince > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY: This email message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential, nor is it, unless specifically stated, intended to be relied upon by any person or persons other than the individual or entity named above and no warranties or representations are made or intended to persons or entities not named above. If the reader is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone, return this message to the address above and delete all copies. Thank you. _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
