I'll assume a typo on the 25 years. "The inaugural 2003 edition of NFPA 5000®, Building Construction and Safety Code®, was issued in 2002 and was the first model building code developed using the full open consensus–based procedures accredited by the American National Standards Institute."
This was a political decision with the breakup of the ICC/NFPA partnership a few years before that. I've been doing this for about 25 years and have never heard of combining fire and building codes. They serve two different purposes. Building code covers new construction. Fire code covers existing conditions and process hazards. That's how I'd sum it up if limited to two short sentences. Chris Cahill, PE* Associate Fire Protection Engineer Burns & McDonnell Phone: 952.656.3652 Fax: 952.229.2923 [email protected] www.burnsmcd.com *Registered in: MN Proud to be #14 on FORTUNE's 2014 List of 100 Best Companies to Work For -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Casterline Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 7:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: WHEN TO DE USE BACK FLOW PREVENT??? Cesar, do you know of NFPA 5000? It would not answer questions about local rules for back flow preventers but it seems to be used in a lot of countries other than the USA for the important basic rules. In fact, I was thinking the other day that, about 25 years ago I heard a rumor that NFPA 5000 was going to combine Fire AND Building Codes into one, over-all Standard, and keep the name 5000. > On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:08 PM, "Cesar Lira" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Rongreenman. / Steve > > I appreciate all your comments and thank you for all contribute > knowledge from all people. > I like learn from other companies I know that you have a lot of rules, > here in Mexico there aren’t rules. > Only a little little little rule jejejeje... however we use rules from > USA, because we have a lot of American customers here in Mexico. > Then they always looking that we are close to your rules. > > Regards. > C.L. > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de > Steve Leyton Enviado el: jueves, 03 de abril de 2014 03:25 p.m. > Para: [email protected] > Asunto: RE: WHEN TO DE USE BACK FLOW PREVENT??? > > It's the Mexican Fire Sprinkler Association, i.e. Asociación Mexicana > de Rociadores Automáticos Contra Incenido (AMRACI). They are located > in suburban Mexico City and web address is www.amraci.org. > > SML > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > rongreenman . > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: WHEN TO DE USE BACK FLOW PREVENT??? > > But any answer has to be based on the knowledge one has. I presume > that Cesar knew he was asking Norte Americanos this question and so > was expecting answers that applied to the way things are done here, > similar to his questions about the efficacy & economy of welded pipe > outlets versus other methods. > > If you are unaware a new organization representing Mexican sprinkler > contractors similar to AFSA, NFSA & CFSA has recently been formed, > with help from the esteemed Cecil Bilbo, in Mexico. Our neighbors to > the south are stepping up their game and know all of North America has > professional aspirations in our industry. I looked up the company > Cesar's email is attached to and its web presence certainly is professional > and impressive. > As we in the USA are currently in the lead regarding regulations, > methodologies and best practices, I'm assuming Cesar questions are > geared to how we do things, not necessarily how they are done in > Russia, or Sudan, or even New Zealand, not even Mexico. Just a hunch. > > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Don't always assume the questions and projects are based on >> installation here in the good old USofA. There can be vastly >> different rules and different players when you are doing foreign work. >> >> Fire sprinkler designers in some areas of the world face challenges >> you couldn't even imagine. >> >> Craig L. Prahl >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . >> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:22 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: WHEN TO DE USE BACK FLOW PREVENT??? >> >> Water purveyors (the water supplier) have two primary charges. First >> is to provide clean drinking water and the second is to ensure >> aesthetically pleasing water. Both are driven by a public trust. >> Since they have no control of how their water is being used or abused >> once it enters a premise the AWWA has a set of rules governing how to >> separate private premises from a reverse flow to the public system, >> determined by the degree of hazard to health and appeal. The methods >> are governed by the health code and the installation rules by the >> plumbing code. Sprinkler systems connected to the public supply are >> considered to be a potential threat to taste while nuclear power >> plants and sewage treatment facilities are considered to be such a >> risk to health that they are not allowed to be directly connected at >> all, and require a break tank with a fill line having an air gap >> designed to a minimum specification (2 times the diameter of the fill >> line above the flood rim of the tank if I reca ll properly). >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Forest Wilson >> <[email protected] >>> wrote: >> >>> Most water purveyors want the backflow installed on the supply side >>> of the fire pump. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 4/3/2014 1:49 PM, Cesar Lira wrote: >>>> >>>> This has nothing with how far is the pumps room with the sprinklers >>>> system?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Mensaje original----- >>>> De: [email protected] >>>> [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre >>>> de [email protected] Enviado el: jueves, 03 de abril de 2014 >>>> 10:19 a.m. >>>> Para: [email protected] >>>> Asunto: RE: WHEN TO DE USE BACK FLOW PREVENT??? >>>> >>>> A backflow is installed on the water line serving a sprinkler >>>> system when the sprinkler system water comes from a potable >>>> (suitable for human >>>> consumption) water source. >>>> >>>> The rules are typically provided by the Department of Health or >>>> Water Departments. >>>> >>>> The rules may vary depending on the location of your project. >>>> >>>> Craig L. 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