Disregard my previous post, I wasn't current on the forum topic. But here is an 
exercise you could easily perform. Establish the physical parameters and 
calculate 3 or 4 variations using incremental "fixed" flows with a 500 GPM 
delta on each and determine the net change between them.  i.e 75,72,500 and 8" 
x 1500 with a "fixed flow" of 1000, 1500, and 2000.
Mark at Aero
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Brad Casterline
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Underground Piping

True! I guess the best we could do is say "IF it were one pipe, x diameter, y 
long, the C-factor would be z".
But doing an analysis on a big yard system complex, where some pretty good 
plans exist, and flowing hydrants from point to point, rearranging H-W gives a 
pretty good idea of the condition of the underground.

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From: Rahe Loftin - 7PMC [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:40 PM
To: SprinklerFORUM
Subject: Re: Underground Piping

Easy to do with a dead end system but not so easy with a gridded system


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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Makes sense Todd.
>
> I believe a flow test measures the friction loss from the source to 
> the gauged hydrant, with a negligible amount of velocity head loss. 
> Say we get 75,72,500. If we know 8" X 1500 feet total, using Q^1.85 
> and rearranging H-W, we can get the C-Factor=140. If we got 75,68,500 
> with the same 8 by 1500, we would get C=85. Also, using Q^2 and C=140, 
> we would get the same
7
> pound drop. I guess what I am saying is, the flow test is a measure of 
> the several factors, as a whole, that are usually unknown without 
> doing a lot of digging, literally ;)
>
> Brad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd - Work [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:18 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Underground Piping
>
> Remember, all of our formulas are approximations. They can be more
accurate
> in some situations and less in others. The velocity restrictions of 
> years back were originally to compensate for the inaccuracies in the 
> formula
when
> velocity exceeded a certain amount.
>
> Todd G Williams, PE
> Fire Protection Design/Consulting
> Stonington, CT
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