NFPA 13 (2013) 11.1.6.4 For partially sprinklered buildings, the sprinkler 
demand,
not including hose stream allowance, as indicated in Figure
11.2.3.1.1 shall be added to the requirements given in
NFPA 14.

Duane Johnson, PE
Design Manager
Strickland Fire Protection
5113 Berwyn Road
College Park, Md. 20740
301-474-1136 Office
301-455-0010 Cell
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Duane Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 9:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Special considerations for partially sprinklered buildings

Ok committee members, explain this:

NFPA 13 (2013) 8.1.1* The requirements for spacing, location, and position of 
sprinklers shall be based on the following principles:

(4) Sprinklers shall be permitted to be omitted from areas specifically allowed 
by this standard.

THERE ARE 8 ITEMS LISTED, BUT I REMOVED THE OTHERS FOR THE SAKE OF THIS 
DISCUSSION.

A.8.1.1 This standard contemplates full sprinkler protection for all areas 
including walk-in coolers, freezers, bank vaults, and similar areas. Other NFPA 
standards that mandate sprinkler installation might not require sprinklers in 
certain areas.
Based upon experience and testing, sprinklers have been found to be effective 
and necessary at heights in excess of 50 ft
(15.2 m). For a building to meet the intended level of protection afforded by 
NFPA13, sprinklers must not be omitted from such high ceiling spaces. The 
requirements of this standard should be used insofar as they are applicable. 
The authority having jurisdiction should be consulted in each case. A building 
is considered sprinklered throughout when protected in accordance with the 
requirements of this standard.

I had thought that as long as the CODE (ie Building or Life Safety) 
acknowledged the building as fully sprinklered, then NFPA 13 would also.

If it is considered partially sprinklered, then:
A8.1 Water supplies for partial systems should be designed with consideration 
to the fact that in a partial system more sprinklers might be opened in a fire 
that originates in an unprotected area and spreads to the sprinklered area than 
would be the case in a completely protected building. Fire originating in a 
nonsprinklered area might overpower the partial sprinkler system.


Duane Johnson, PE
Design Manager
Strickland Fire Protection
5113 Berwyn Road
College Park, Md. 20740
301-474-1136 Office
301-455-0010 Cell
[email protected]



-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of JD Gamble
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 8:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Special considerations for partially sprinklered buildings

It would appear that the exemption still remains in 507.3.  The Architectural 
team has decided that anything "participant sport" related is to be NOT 
sprinklered.  This allows for a large portion of the building to remain 
unprotected.  I wanted to know if the NFPA 13 had special considerations for 
situations where a building is partial sprinklered that others on the forum may 
have made consideration of.

thanks

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On Behalf Of Chris Born
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 6:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Special considerations for partially sprinklered buildings

The exception I remember for participant sport areas was in 903 of the IBC.
>From the 2006 IBC section 903.2.1.4 indicated when sprinklers were required 
>for A-4 occupancy, and the exception allowed areas used exclusively for 
>participant sports when the main floor area was at the level of exit discharge 
>to not be sprinklered.  This exception was eliminated in the 2009 code, and 
>still appears to be gone from the 2012.  That's not to say that a local 
>amendment or other adoption practice hasn't put it back in your case, but it 
>is gone from the model code.

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Christopher H. Born, P.E.
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> On Aug 5, 2014, at 8:30 PM, jgamble <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Confused?  The exception is being provided as part of an IBC 2012 code
compliance review. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Chris Born 
> <[email protected]> </div><div>Date:08/05/2014  6:08 PM  (GMT-07:00)
</div><div>To: [email protected] </div><div>Subject:
Re: Special considerations for partially sprinklered buildings </div><div> 
</div>Note that this exception is no longer in the 2009 IBC.  The 
substantiation in the ICC process cited in part the enforcement issue, for 
example a facility that occasionally hosts a flea market, etc.
> 
> Chris Born
> Clark Nexsen, Inc.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2014, at 7:42 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe the thought is that there is a very low fire load, and 
>> almost
no source of ignition. 
>> Mark at Aero
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sprinklerforum
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
>> JD Gamble
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2014 3:27 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: FW: Special considerations for partially sprinklered 
>> buildings
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What am I missing - Group A-4 (IBC) 507.3 - Sprinklers exempt from 
>> Areas occupied by Participant Sports
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How does NFPA 13 make consideration for these areas with respect to 
>> head
locations, density considerations, increased hydraulic areas?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would love the feedback (virgin ground here).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Life Safety Solutions of Sheridan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> JD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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