It isn't always engineer ignorance driving the 20 fps.  Air Force ETL 02-15 
requires it for one.

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Lamar Vaughn
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:04 PM
To: Sprinkler Forum
Subject: Re: Water Velocity

It would really be good if this thread could be shared with the engineering 
community at large. I STILL get specifications that require a maximum velocity 
of 20 fps. Very costly, especially when you have a good water supply.

Lamar Vaughn, SET

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roland Huggins <[email protected]
> wrote:

> actually the difference between the results for D-W and H-W does not
> vary consistently (alas there is not a linear relationship).  To
> require using D-W at very high velocities is unnecessarily
> conservative.  At these velocities the pressure loss is so high that
> it is self regulating so typically occurs only is limited sections of
> the system.  With all the averaging etc that our process entails, why
> get anal on ONE piece of the puzzle?  Having said that, one could
> argue that one should account for the velocity pressure in the
> discharge calc at high velocities BUT that is needed only when you
> really have such velocities (like in a water spray
> deluge) verses seeing an assigned value from our process.
>
>
> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> Dallas, TX
> http://www.firesprinkler.org
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Damien Shannon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > So purely along the lines of Andy Rooney's 'have you ever wondered why'
> :)
> > ... FM Datasheet 2-0, while not limiting the allowable velocity,
> > does require that when velocity exceed 30ft/sec, that the
> > calculation be performed via the Darcy-Weisbach Method rather than the 
> > Hazen-Williams.
> > Entertainment value only, but would seem that the variance between
> results
> > in Hazen-Williams versus Darcy-Weisbach become more apparent with
> > higher velocities.
> > The 30ft/sec limitation (for application of Hazen-Williams
> > calculations)
> in
> > FM 2-0 is strangely close to the 10m/sec (32.8ft/sec) limitation in
> > EN
> > 12845 Rules for Automatic Sprinkler Installations (previously BS 5306).
> >
> >
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