He was probably a Spark Vendor in a previous life-- hyper sensitive to electron 
flow meeting H2O flow

> On Sep 15, 2014, at 4:18 PM, "Steve Leyton" <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'll probably get yelled at for being off topic, but Andy Rooney never said, 
> "Have you ever wondered why ...?"    Andy Rooney would say, "Why is it that 
> ...?"    As in, "Why is it that Roland Huggins shorts out every time someone 
> dredges up an old thread that he thought was dead and buried?"
> 
> You're welcome America,
> Charles Osgood
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] 
> On Behalf Of Damien Shannon
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 1:57 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Water Velocity
> 
> So purely along the lines of Andy Rooney's 'have you ever wondered why' :) 
> ... FM Datasheet 2-0, while not limiting the allowable velocity, does require 
> that when velocity exceed 30ft/sec, that the calculation be performed via the 
> Darcy-Weisbach Method rather than the Hazen-Williams.
> Entertainment value only, but would seem that the variance between results in 
> Hazen-Williams versus Darcy-Weisbach become more apparent with higher 
> velocities.
> The 30ft/sec limitation (for application of Hazen-Williams calculations) in 
> FM 2-0 is strangely close to the 10m/sec (32.8ft/sec) limitation in EN
> 12845 Rules for Automatic Sprinkler Installations (previously BS 5306).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 September 2014 21:23, Parsley Consulting <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Roland,
>>    A mutual friend of ours who works up in Quincy described for me a 
>> question he once had with a caller who wanted to know in which edition 
>> of
>> -13 the 32 ft/sec requirement had been removed, and why.
>>    This friend searched through the library there back to the first 
>> sprinkler standard from 1896, and found that it had NEVER been part of 
>> -13.  The individual he was dealing with accused him of being an 
>> imbecile and a deceitful one to boot, and promptly hung up.
>>    Joe Hankins told me the same story.
>> *Ken Wagoner, SET
>> *Parsley Consulting***
>> *350 West 9th Avenue, Suite 206
>> *Escondido, California 92025
>> *****Phone 760-745-6181*
>> Visit our website <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> *** On 9/15/2014 
>> 1:01 PM, Roland Huggins wrote:
>> 
>>> Next time you even start to think of any basis for imposing a 
>>> velocity of
>>> 32 ft/s, take a hammer and smash a finger.  Hopefully the pain will 
>>> divert you from wasting your time especially if you’re assuming you 
>>> are dealing with facts.  I’ve heard numerous conclusion as to why the 
>>> mystical 32 ft/s existed.  Only one has any chance of being valid.  
>>> Joe Hankins told me long ago that FM initially imposed a velocity 
>>> restriction after hydraulic calc’s entered the scene and folks 
>>> started designing gridded storage systems with
>>> 1 inch BLs.  For ever other basis, I can hear Andy Rooney saying - 
>>> Have you ever wondered why …...
>>> 
>>> Roland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
>>> American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
>>> Dallas, TX
>>> http://www.firesprinkler.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Brad Casterline 
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Damien, will you mail me those snaps too please? I have heard the 
>>> pipe
>>>> schedules were derived by increasing the size when the velocity 
>>>> reached about 32 ft/sec. Figuring out approximate flow per head and 
>>>> average densities, etc, will give me something to do as I sit at the 
>>>> kitchen table and drink beer tonight. Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck Jeremy!
>>>> 
>>>> Brad
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