I also agree. That was my point about threaded fittings. 

Mark at Aero
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> On Jan 19, 2016, at 6:37 AM, "Michael Hill" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> To expand on this a bit more. Most of the grooved fittings that are used are
> ductile iron, what allows their use.
> 
> Mike Hill
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Michael Hill
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 8:27 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> How about working this from the other end. Get the listings for the proposed
> fittings and seeing if any of them are acceptable in NFPA.
> 
> Mike Hill
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 5:22 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> Yes, Chapter 10 gives the standards for DI pipe and fittings, but apparently
> Chapter 10 isn't applicable to a riser manifold or spool piece.
> 
> 6.3.1.1.1* Underground pipe shall be permitted to extend into the building
> through the slab or wall not more than 24 in.
> (600 mm).
> 
> 10.1.4.1* Underground piping shall be permitted to extend into the building
> through the slab or wall not more than 24 in.
> (600 mm). [24:10.1.4.1]
> 
> This may seem overly fastidious, but I work at a nuclear weapons plant where
> "anal" is never mentioned because it's a given.
> 
>    J. Scott Mitchell, PE
>       Fire Protection Engineer | 
>       Projects Engineering
>       CNS Pantex | 806.477.5883 | 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Duane Johnson
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:00 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> The DI standards for pipes and fittings are listed in Chapt 10, Underground
> Piping.
> 
> 
> Duane Johnson, PE
> Design Manager
> Strickland Fire Protection
> 5113 Berwyn Road
> College Park, MD 20740
> 301-474-1136 Office
> 301-455-0010 Cell
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> B16.4 is for gray iron which I think is the most common form for fire
> sprinkler system above ground threaded fittings. 
> 
> I'm attempting to determine the applicable standard for ductile iron flanged
> fittings AND whether or not such fittings are permissible in the above
> ground portion of the fire sprinkler system.  Specifically in the riser
> manifold. It could be a flanged ductile iron tee or flanged ductile iron
> spool piece, etc. 
> 
> I heard that they are being used as I described.  So, I thought I'd look it
> up to see if NFPA 13 allowed it.  And, none of the standards listed in the
> acceptable materials table address ductile iron.
> 
> I'm comfortable with pointing to 1.7 as a "back up" justification.  But, any
> more help would be appreciated.
> 
>    J. Scott Mitchell, PE
>       Fire Protection Engineer | 
>       Projects Engineering
>       CNS Pantex | 806.477.5883 | 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 2:29 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Isn't 36.10M for Welded and Seamless pipe?
> B16.4  is for fittings.
> 
> R/
> Matt
> 
> Matthew J. Willis
> Project Manager
> Rapid Fire Protection Inc.
> *NEW ADDRESS*
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> Rapid City, SD 57702
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> Cell-605.391.2733
> Fax:-605.348.0108
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]]
> On Behalf Of [email protected]
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 7:27 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Ductile Iron Fittings
> 
> Thanks for all the responses. 
> 
> The reason is because NFPA 13 does not include ductile iron (ASME B36.10M)
> in the acceptable materials table. My opinion is that it is functionally
> more than adequate. 
> 
> Would this be covered by section 1.7 (2016) for alternate arrangements?
> 
>    J. Scott Mitchell, PE
>       Fire Protection Engineer | 
>       Projects Engineering
>       CNS Pantex | 806.477.5883 | 
> 
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