They are absolutely correct in their statement that "it's not their job to find the solution". Their job is solely to create the problem. And they are the best in the business now that the VA has had their contracting privileges revoked by congress for abuses of power and incompetence. Unfortunately the same congress assigned all of the former VA contracting responsibilities to the USACOE. Mark at Aero
-----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Army Corp of Engineer Safety When asked their reply was that it wasn't their job to find the solution however "others" have used a wench. -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hinson, Ryan Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Army Corp of Engineer Safety How each piece of said pipe loaded into the lift cradle from grade? Do have a dedicated Lull rental to load each piece? Ryan L. Hinson, PE*, SET** \ Burns & McDonnell Senior Fire Protection Engineer O 952-656-3662 \ M 320-250-5404 \ F 952-229-2923 [email protected] \ burnsmcd.com 8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 300 \ Bloomington, MN 55437 *Registered in: MN, PA, & TX **NICET IV - Water-Based Systems Layout -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rod DiBona Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Army Corp of Engineer Safety Thanks Ron. We have suggested this and although that would work we then have been told that since OSHA refers to NIOSH lifting repetitive lifting requirements we couldn't lift the pipe from the cradle to install..... not kidding you. -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Army Corp of Engineer Safety The lift guys do have saddles made to transfer the weight of the pipe to the floor of the lift and cradle the pipe. They have data sheets that can give you the maximum weight the lift will hold and the saddles/cradles. And I think at various heights. On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Ben Young <[email protected]> wrote: > Rod, > > Is this the same issue you/we dealt with back in 2013? > Here's the old forum thread to jog your memory: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/sprinklerforum%40lists.firesprinkler.org/m > sg33728.html > > I still have that OSHA interpretation if you need it. > > Did they give a reference in EM 385-1 because its over 1000 pages > long, and I'm not familiar with it. > Link: > > http://www.publications.usace.army.mil/Portals/76/Publications/Enginee > rManuals/EM_385-1-1_2008Sep_Consolidated_2011Aug.pdf > > > > Benjamin Young > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Rod DiBona <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > I have a pretty tough situation that I was wondering if anyone had > > dealt with before. We have an Army Corp of Engineer job for a new > > hangar. Pipe arrived onsite and they are telling us that we cannot > > install the piping from man lifts. They are adamant that they are > > "bound by the EM385 and > the > > lift manufacturers requirements." In the lower sections we offered > > to install the pipe off of ladders and were told no to that as well. > > We have asked for documentation and they say that "OSHA" says that > > our guys can't lift over 50 lbs each because it is increases the > > chance of injury. We have done a bunch of Corp jobs all over the > > place and always install the pipe off of man lifts and ladders. I > > can't even imagine trying to get the pipe with some sort of duct > > lift or winching it piece by piece. We will take all the appropriate > > action, including but not limited to tying all requirements to our > > contract etc. but was really wondering if anybody > else > > had been told anything like this from th e corp. Thanks for any > > help you can offer. I have reached out to a couple of you offline > > and appreciate the help, I wanted to open it up to the masses. > > > > > > > > Rod at Rapid > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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